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Westminstenders: The Brexit Apprentice

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RedToothBrush · 14/06/2017 16:26

Theresa May is increasing looking like she is running an episode of the Apprentice with two teams trying to compete in their plan for Brexit. Complete with the obligatory reprehensible contestants.

On one side we have Team Creationists intent on hard Brexit and on the other we have Team Sensibles desperate to get a softer deal.
May herself has been held hostage by seasoned expert negotiators the DUP. Once No 10 has reported the deal was done, only for the DUP to say it wasn’t. Then it said, it would be settled today. But the DUP disagreed and said ‘the weekend’. Now its 'next week'.

Meanwhile the Queen has been messed about with a scapegoat over when her Queen’s Speech will be. It’s likely to be a week on Monday.
Meanwhile the Brexit department is also in chaos.

The Number two in the department was sacked and replaced by a Remainer, and the number three quit amongst reports that he no longer thought Brexit was achievable and that there was no way that the Great Repeal Act could pass through the Lords. He has been replaced by the Head of the infamous Arch-Brexit Whatsapp group.

Oh and Gove got hired. Nuff said on that one.

After some slight back tracking from David Davis, Hard Brexit is still on in all its glory. Negotiations are going ahead next week. Well that’s what we are saying. The EU, on the other hand, don’t won’t to go ahead until we have an officially sworn in government. Which seems pretty fair enough.

Tune in to find out which Team wins this week’ The Brexit Apprentice

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Sostenueto · 16/06/2017 11:01

God save our darling Queen is now visiting victims and rescue staff. This speaks volumes.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 11:01

Well king of the spin would know. Saatchi orchestrated Maggie's messages. And he did it well

PinkPeppers · 16/06/2017 11:01

What I currently see is years and years of some poeple using the system for their own advantage (building regulation, taxes, benefits cuts etc etc) and the whole system just collapsing under its weight because just looking at your own little interest, rather than the Ines of the country as a whole is not sustainable in the long run.

Even wo Brexit, it was all slowly falling apart at the seams.
Brexit, terror attacks, the fire in London have all highlighted that.

I'm wondering who is going to actually face to the truth of it and do something about it clue: I really don't think it will be the Tories because of how involved they are in it in the first place, and so at all levels of the system

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 11:04

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
The Queen and Prince William meeting residents in the wake of the Grenfell Tower blaze. Theresa May yet to do so.

May's excuse was security related. That just disappeared.

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PinkPeppers · 16/06/2017 11:04

The Queen has been more reactive than the government and TM, both in her actions and in her message to the population and she is clearly treating that as a national catastrophe.

By contrast, it seems that TM would be more than happy to look at it as a small issue not worthy of her attention Angry

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 11:05

Question: is the Queen trying to prove a point to May???!!!

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Gumpendorf · 16/06/2017 11:06

Lazy, that was the point I was making about Emma Dent Coad. She knows stuff and when the immediate aftermath is less raw, she will hold the government to account.

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 11:07

BBC saying 76 missing (probably including the 17 dead)

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Arborea · 16/06/2017 11:12

May's excuse was security related. That just disappeared.

To be charitable, maybe it's because she might be much less popular than Her Maj and Wills. Is it true that a bottle was thrown at Sadiq Khan the other side? He seems much more hands on than May, but if he's been attacked then I can see why May might be worried (although I do think she should have met the residents anyway).

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 11:13

Labour councillor on TV saying claim about the residents not wanting sprinklers false. Was at all but one meeting that's relevant. Said it's false and Tory councillor who said should retract. Said victim blaming.

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squoosh · 16/06/2017 11:15

Question: is the Queen trying to prove a point to May???!!!

That's a good question. The Queen is all about duty above all else so I wouldn't be surprised.

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 11:17

This article from December has aged well...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html
Britain could slash environmental and safety standards 'a very long way' after Brexit, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says

The MP said standards that were 'good enough for India' could be good enough for the UK

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Peregrina · 16/06/2017 11:19

I too think that May will resign pleading ill health, which will be justified, and it might account for some of her irrational decisions. Not enough to undo the results of the election though.

With Portillo and others speaking out, I wondered, why did no one warn her? Then I remembered that they did try to, but she had the ghastly Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill running the show, plus idiots like Boris, Fox and Davis so that wiser voices like Hammond, Clarke, Heseltine were all drowned out.

Peregrina · 16/06/2017 11:22

Meanwhile the blame game continues.

Nick Timothy, Theresa's May ex-chief of staff, told the Spectator he had wanted to run a less presidential campaign and involve ministers more but external "consultants" had advised against it.

Why didn't Treeza lead? She was desperate for the job. Why did she not say, no, that's not my style - it won't work?

TatianaLarina · 16/06/2017 11:25

In normal circs May would surely be gone already. I'd imagine the Tories are intending to replace her asap but are concerned about destabilising the country with a leadership contest that could turn into a Brexit squabble and triggering another general election.

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 11:27

With Portillo and others speaking out, I wondered, why did no one warn her?

How do you know that they didn't?

Incident being reported on twitter outside parliament - journalist reporting shouts of knife, knife, knife and man brought down by a taser. Situation apparently under control.

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TatianaLarina · 16/06/2017 11:28

Timothy blamed Lynton Crosby specifically for the presidential style campaign in the article I read.

TatianaLarina · 16/06/2017 11:28

They all got it wrong though, including May. Why bother blaming each other. It was pants across the board.

TatianaLarina · 16/06/2017 11:30

May doesn't listen to warnings, Major warned her about the GFA, Gerry Adams has said his piece. Has she pulled back from the DUP deal?

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 11:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40286861?ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=twitter
UN says Prevent extremism policy is 'inherently flawed'

The report by the UN Special Rapporteur on the rights to freedom of peaceful assembly and of association in the UK, first published in May, was highly critical of Prevent, UK counter-terror legislation, the impact of lobbying laws on charities, and trade union laws.

The author of the report, Kenyan human rights specialist Maina Kiai, said unclear Prevent guidelines gave decision makers "excessive discretion", which rendered the application of the policy "unpredictable and potentially arbitrary".

This, he said, risked "dividing, stigmatizing and alienating segments of the population".

Legislation covering political lobbying also came in for criticism for having a chilling effect on charities.

Commonly known as the Lobbying Act, the laws were described as having a disproportionate effect upon civil society and trade unions compared to business interests.

This was, the report said, because the actions of in-house lobbyists, who generally work for these business interests, were not restricted by part one of the Act.

The report also criticises the implementation of counter-terrorism policies.

It said that the Investigatory Powers Act, which increased government powers to intercept private communications, "contained procedures without adequate oversight, coupled with overly broad definitions, which might result in unduly interfering with the right to privacy, the right to freedom of opinion and expression and the right to freedom of association."

It criticised the planned Counter Extremism and Safeguarding Bill, which would allow clamp downs on non-violent extremist groups, as unnecessary, saying it could leave people "fearful of exercising their rights" and could end up proving counterproductive.

Balloting restrictions on public service trade unions to force higher turnout before industrial action could be taken, introduced under the Trade Union Act, were labelled as "profoundly undemocratic".

When's the referendum on leaving the UN?

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Peregrina · 16/06/2017 11:32

With Portillo and others speaking out, I wondered, why did no one warn her?
How do you know that they didn't?

As I said, I think people did try to, but she chose not to listen.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 11:33

Bless the Queen. I'm a republican bit have so much respect for her. She gets the mood of her country and she adapts

Also this may indicate how serious this dituation is. No goverment No leadership divided country. The firm never wants the masses to revolt

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 11:34

situation

HashiAsLarry · 16/06/2017 11:37

Royalist or otherwise it's hard to argue the queen has more empathy in her little toe than TM. Same could probably be said for most drag queens though.

HashiAsLarry · 16/06/2017 11:37

Hard to argue against even