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Westminstenders: The Brexit Apprentice

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RedToothBrush · 14/06/2017 16:26

Theresa May is increasing looking like she is running an episode of the Apprentice with two teams trying to compete in their plan for Brexit. Complete with the obligatory reprehensible contestants.

On one side we have Team Creationists intent on hard Brexit and on the other we have Team Sensibles desperate to get a softer deal.
May herself has been held hostage by seasoned expert negotiators the DUP. Once No 10 has reported the deal was done, only for the DUP to say it wasn’t. Then it said, it would be settled today. But the DUP disagreed and said ‘the weekend’. Now its 'next week'.

Meanwhile the Queen has been messed about with a scapegoat over when her Queen’s Speech will be. It’s likely to be a week on Monday.
Meanwhile the Brexit department is also in chaos.

The Number two in the department was sacked and replaced by a Remainer, and the number three quit amongst reports that he no longer thought Brexit was achievable and that there was no way that the Great Repeal Act could pass through the Lords. He has been replaced by the Head of the infamous Arch-Brexit Whatsapp group.

Oh and Gove got hired. Nuff said on that one.

After some slight back tracking from David Davis, Hard Brexit is still on in all its glory. Negotiations are going ahead next week. Well that’s what we are saying. The EU, on the other hand, don’t won’t to go ahead until we have an officially sworn in government. Which seems pretty fair enough.

Tune in to find out which Team wins this week’ The Brexit Apprentice

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everthibkyouvebeenconned · 15/06/2017 23:43

Why is Laura Perrins there? Strange illogical woman.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2017 23:43

And they have sold us off to the highest bidders and their friends

Na the Great British Firesale comes after Brexit. They haven't even started yet.

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RedToothBrush · 15/06/2017 23:44

Why is Laura Perrins there? Strange illogical woman.

Nigel was busy.

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everthibkyouvebeenconned · 15/06/2017 23:44

Red all we've got left is our pants now
Will it be serfdom?

HesterThrale · 15/06/2017 23:44

Yes... Labour's position on Brexit. Not sure about it. Not sure all Labour MPs agree on it, or are clear about it. Needs clarifying?

whatwouldrondo · 15/06/2017 23:45

Yes Lamb is good but hard to concentrate with such idiocy at his side

WifeofDarth · 15/06/2017 23:45

Does anyone else see the irony of the London Evening Standard launching an appeal for the victims?
The paper that is edited by the architect and driver of austerity.

I am so bitterly angry that I am nauseous. I need to find a positive outlet for it. Suggestions welcome.

Valentine2 · 15/06/2017 23:47

There must be a public trampling of Evening Standard on Tube and buses. Making it a twitter trend with a proper hashtag.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2017 23:49

Red all we've got left is our pants now
Will it be serfdom?

You need to pay for washing them and you need to pay for your oxygen and the hire of the ground on which you stand. Don't forget your methane tax for farting because you don't eat ToryPureFood.

Interest also applies.

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RedToothBrush · 15/06/2017 23:51

Suggestions welcome.

Dart board with all your favourite politicians faces on.

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whatwouldrondo · 15/06/2017 23:51

Emily Thornberry is being disingenuous, Harriet Harman dropped the last (I think , may be wrong) attempt to spread the UK abortion law to NI when Labour needed support for anti terrorist legislation. The UK leaving NI exposed to the DUP regressive agenda has been a political reality for decades!

whatwouldrondo · 15/06/2017 23:52

Plus I love Rob Delaney, he just joined my coalition of lust....

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2017 23:53

Iain Dale @ iaindale
I always love seeing a Momentum supporting American Comedian on #bbqt. Just what I pay my licence fee for. The producers are taking the piss

Gavin Curnow @ gavincurnow
You're happy with the Irish conservative though?

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/06/2017 23:55

Math One of my US cousins (sadly, the only liberal Republican) strongly criticises the US system, basically that in her experience the poor have no power, while the white / wealthier residents are able to vote themselves lower property taxes

She found disgraceful gerrymandering of voting districts, voter suppression and funds diverted away from poorer areas into those where most tax is paid, not where it is most needed.
So the poorer areas, especially the schools, have ever fewer resources in a downward spiral

Obviously experience depends where on you live, in a vast disparate country like the US
My family there are all ethnic Arab immigrants; hence she experienced more of the US underside even after they became comfortably off.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 15/06/2017 23:55

Shes not conservative She's CONSERVATIVE. (stroke nutjob)

Bananagio · 15/06/2017 23:56

thanks as ever for the ongoing threads red.

I can't remember when I last felt such anger. This has to be the catalyst for change. Fundamental change after years and years of callous, profit orientated cuts and policy. Years and years of tabloid brainwashing regarding the need for more deregulation, the evils of red tape, the "elf and safety gone mad" bullshit. So instead of seeing these things as being areas which protect us we see them as areas to be eroded. Years and years of propaganda as policy demonising and alienating the most the vulnerable in society ably assisted by trash TV and their portrayal of benefits recipients etc. The extreme suffering and deaths as a result of cuts which are rarely reported on apart from occasionally as individual tragedies, not as a collective result of policy. The beyond patronising "there is no magic money tree" rhetoric to justify it. And now what could be numbers going into 3 figures of people killed in the most horrifying, terrifying way. And people have the gall to say we shouldn't be politicising this tragedy at the moment. Well fuck that quite frankly! And we are now seeing posts stating that - well all the parties are as bad as each other and are all responsible in some way. Bollocks! The same tactic used post ref with the comments regarding both campaigns lied. Also bollocks!

As another one who remembers, this feels like the 80's. It feels like Hillsborough and the Herald of Free Enterprise but somehow worse because we havent learnt from those! We are still being lied to! Peoples lives are still being treated with callous disregard. And as for the subtle mention of foreign labour up thread - unbelievable.

Even as a left winger I have been lukewarm until recently re Corbyn, purely down to a fear he was seen as being so unelectable that the result would be left wing policies would be shelved for a generation. I am now 150% behind him. I hope others who had doubts will be as well, at least for now, because the people in charge of the UK currently are quite frankly dangerous!

BigChocFrenzy · 15/06/2017 23:57

I took all my pants with me to Germany < smug bitch >

Peregrina · 15/06/2017 23:59

I have an irrational sense that, when Theresa May starts losing popularity, it won't be a gradual decline. It'll be overnight collapse.
From 27th April

Yes, someone in one of the papers said that. That when Major and Blair's authority went, it didn't drain away slowly but went overnight. Ditto with Cameron and May, although they are most definitely self-inflicted wounds in their case.

whatwouldrondo · 16/06/2017 00:09

May is a dignified politician who belonged to a previous era when you did not need to relate to ordinary people? Sorry Thatcher would never have fucked this up so thoroughly though May be in for the same fate

squoosh · 16/06/2017 00:15

Even Churchill visited sites hit by the Blitz. Demonstrating empathy is just something you must be able to do, and obviously an inability to do this is most noticeable when people's feelings are running high.

RhythmAndStealth · 16/06/2017 00:16

Michael Portillo "This has sent a shameful image of this country round the world, to see public housing blazing like a torch is a shameful image". He sees this as "a transformational moment- this disaster can't be ignored, you have to change everything"

whatwouldrondo · 16/06/2017 00:30

And he adds to the May is a dead woman walking verdict...

whatwouldrondo · 16/06/2017 00:40

And Ruth Davidson is the only winner the Tories have....

BigChocFrenzy · 16/06/2017 00:56

(Times paywall) After admitting her election errors, the PM must soften her Brexit stance and build bridges

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/now-may-should-say-sorry-to-our-eu-friends-cnlkwp3sp

Theresa May has clung on to her faltering premiership by apologising profusely to her MPs and her cabinet.
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May has done this to give herself a future.
Now, for the sake of all our futures, it is imperative that she performs the same mea culpa to Europe.
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May’s attitude to the EU has mirrored her stance here.
Over the past year she has been glacial, disdainful, combative, rude and delusional.

She has utterly failed to recognise political realities;
the terrifying complexity of withdrawing from the EU,
the truth that our economy needs the EU far more than they need us;
the bleak consequences if we crash out without a deal,
the fact that the closer we get to the end of negotiations the weaker we are and the stronger the other side is.
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Europe knows exactly how few cards we have to play.
And if May’s position was weak a month ago, it is infinitely weaker now.
One eighth of the time on the Brexit clock has already been wasted
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She has no mandate from the public for her hard Brexit
and no majority in parliament for anything.
She is being forced to listen to voices such as Ruth Davidson and Philip Hammond, who want a softer deal, possibly staying in the customs union,
because nothing harder can now get through the Commons and the Lords.
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May is at the mercy of the people we’ve been treating with contempt.

She can only avert disaster by creating goodwill, so will have to admit her faults, change her style and rapidly start building the alliances she has neglected up to now.

One diplomat told me that our European allies, full of schadenfreude, are mercilessly calculating whether it’s worth paying any attention to May.

“Diplomacy is a brutal business. Ambassadors will be reporting back on whether she has any traction among MPs.
It’s a crude question:

‘Is this woman really in charge of anything or is she on her way out?’”

Diplomats point out that in delicate times diplomacy is not about public posturing but off-the-record conversations,
the private floating of possibilities, creation of relationships and trust.

May, shy and wooden as she is, has done none of that.

We cannot go on like this.
We are becoming an intense irritation to a Europe that has existential challenges to deal with: the threat that Putin might invade, Islamic State, migration, the unreliability of Trump.

One insider says flatly that
“we do have to completely change the temperature in the room.
There may be a brief window of opportunity here but Europe’s mood is hard, and hardening.
They’re fed up with the tone-deafness of May’s team, and they have the whip hand.”

Success in this has never mattered more because May’s electoral implosion has ended her commitment to austerity.

Voters want her to spend again, yet any kind of Brexit will shrink the economy.

There can be no more insouciant references to a few hard years as a price worth paying.

The alternatives, for May, her party and for all of us, are dreadful.

A former ambassador warns of what will happen if she doesn’t raise her sights.

“It’s going to get very bitter and twisted over the next 18 months, and she’ll need a pool of good faith.
She has to understand that it’s up to her, because

Europe’s view is:
‘If they want to drive themselves off a cliff, they’re going to find it bloody cold at the bottom.”’

Arborea · 16/06/2017 01:03

I don't imagine Boris will have the nerve to show his face in public anytime soon

I may be wrong, but I think he's at Le Mans...