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Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off

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RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:22

I’m going to keep this one very simple.

THE DEADLINE TO REGISTER TO VOTE IS 22ND MAY.
www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Postal votes start to go out on 23rd May.

Your challenge is to persuade someone to register to vote or to get someone who is considering not to, to get their arse to the polling station.

Go forth and harass. Especially women and the young.

That’s it. No frills OP.

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LurkingHusband · 18/05/2017 06:56

I hadn't realised there were so many nuke convoys among ordinary civilian traffic and so near towns

Ken Livingstones GLC "nuclear ban" (which was overridden by Thatcher) wasn't because of empty trains and lorries driving through London ...

BigChocFrenzy · 18/05/2017 07:03

Tory manifesto coming on Thursday is likely to boost support, as it will give the impression of "doing something about immigration"

(i.e. making life tougher and more unpleasant for them
and maybe replacing EU workers with cheaper non-EU,

but not actually reducing total numbers - because the UK needs them)

Strong Tory rumours that employers will be required to pay what is basically an immigrant tax, if they hire non-uk workers.

Also that foreign workers resident in the UK would have to pay an extra immigrant penalty / tax to use the NHS.
Not sure how that would work, as it goes against the founding principal of the NHS being for residents, not citizens.

That would boost the dog whistle volume.

woman12345 · 18/05/2017 07:04

wasn't because of empty trains and lorries driving through London
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It was one of the things I checked before we last moved house. Until I realised there was almost no where which didn't have this sort of stuff being transported by train nearby.
Again, Germany, : nuclear power nein danke, and a welcome to a million refugees.
Look at us: a pathetic little fascist encouraging his imbecilic wannabe hitlers to get guns, fixed election, with AI for fools, (artificial intelligence could help those with none), broken nuclear power stations, no Euratom, etc etc.

The sun is out, though. Smile

woman12345 · 18/05/2017 07:11

That would boost the dog whistle volume

How many ECHR rulings are they planning to break?
And ECJ on AI in election campaigns?

Did Timothy and Hill just use above civil and human rights rulings to rule on the opposite?

Red when you said, it will be time to leave because of the danger of becoming a political dissident, you were not wrong. Sad

The refrain of the aggressive posters here is to tell us to 'shut up'. Farage is threatening silence with arms.

This is before the fascisti are in office.

All ordinary liberal/left multi cultural Germans were saying what we have in 1930.

Motheroffourdragons · 18/05/2017 07:12

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woman12345 · 18/05/2017 07:18

Tory death tax.

For those whose death they haven't already recklessly or negligently caused.

Elderly people can have £100,000 in assets (up from £23,250) before they’ll be asked to pay for social care, but they will be asked to pay whether in their own home or elsewhere. There’ll be no cap on costs, but a promise that nobody will have to sell their home for care while they’re alive – which translates to a bill once they’re not. Of course, as Labour’s Andy Burnham was not the first or last to point out, this used to be snarled at by some as a “death tax”

So LH's good post ages ago about the phantom wealth of the housing market gets realised by you know who.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/05/2017 07:34

woman Come to Germany and help me gobble up all the Lindt Smile

Motheroffourdragons · 18/05/2017 07:34

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/05/2017 07:35

I pay more tax, but I get excellent public services for my money.
That's fair

BigChocFrenzy · 18/05/2017 07:39

For about 20 years now, Germany has had a tax - Pflegeversicherung / care insurance - that everyone pays, along with income tax.
It's for care in old age or whenever disability strikes

Motheroffourdragons · 18/05/2017 07:39

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/05/2017 07:41

If you own a house, then either that has to be used to pay for your care,
or people who can only afford to rent then have to pay additionally for the home-owners.

Welfare for the comfortably off, paid for by the less well off and even the poor.

Motheroffourdragons · 18/05/2017 07:44

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 07:49

The reason the winter fuel allowance was never means tested before was because it was more costly to do this than to just give it to everyone.

As for the death tax. The way it is being set up means that my in laws who have set themselves up to dodge it all, will not have to pay for care. Meanwhile my parents who are considerably less well off will lose it all. All because of how they look financially on paper not because of how wealthy they actually are... My generation who don't have good pension, and don't have as much time to plan for the future also will be stifted with looking after elderly parents, not having the ability to plan for their own social care, in most cases will get jack shit in inheritance (as any inheritance there is will go straight to grandkids as it's the best way to dodge tax and social care bill).

And I haven't even read any further than that.

We are in a position to leave the country. It looks increasingly that that will be only option.

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HashiAsLarry · 18/05/2017 07:52

Dawn Foster @DawnHFoster
Tories promising right to buy on steroids - if tenants don't want to buy, seems homes will be sold from under them
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Not only that, but looks like they're banking on a continual rise in land and property values, which means continued rising rents.

Peregrina · 18/05/2017 08:00

All ordinary liberal/left multi cultural Germans were saying what we have in 1930.

Leavers do not like being reminded of this.

I17neednumbers · 18/05/2017 08:16

"The reason the winter fuel allowance was never means tested before was because it was more costly to do this than to just give it to everyone."

i thought it was relatively cheap to administer a means test if you make the threshold the level at which someone receives pension credit? Which would mean the threshold is at very low level indeed. I haven't seen the details of who keeps it/who loses.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 08:29

I'll have to do so delving to find it but there was a report into the financial costs of means testing which concluded that it was more expensive to do. It's all the additional paperwork it requires, then the appeals process etc. Then enforcing punishment for people who have claimed when they were not eligible because their application was incorrect. It adds up.

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Motheroffourdragons · 18/05/2017 08:39

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Peregrina · 18/05/2017 08:45

Like the free bus passes.

Free bus passes have hard to quantify benefits.
They can help keep some bus services going.
They also have benefits in that some elderly people can use them for a trip out, go to a cafe, come back, whereas previously they would probably have gone to the Drs surgery. This also promotes their well being. Anecdotal, but I believe studies have been done which show this.
Cars are kept off the road, as are drivers whose reaction times are beginning to slow, so are no longer as capable as they think they are.

mathanxiety · 18/05/2017 08:51

Once the shape of Brexit is decided (next election minimum) and dependent on how the Tories are performing at that point, I will probably swing back to Lib Dem I would imagine

Stable door/horse...

Who would you suggest gets my vote?
An anti Brexit party?
Or a party which has no plan at all for Brexit, and has instead focussed its resolve on making Britain unattractive to business & net tax contributors?
You realise you are talking about the Tories here, Charmageddon?
If they win, Britain will be a tax haven and magnet for money laundering, vulture capitalists will parcel out services like the NHS among themselves and turn them into businesses whose only aim is profit, and isolated from their natural market, legitimate British business will wither once Brexit becomes reality. It may well be a Britain consisting of England and Wales by the time the next election rolls around too. Unless you are a very wealthy individual with friends in the Tory party, you are a turkey voting for Christmas.

Oh and that flushing sound you hear is British universities heading for the coast.

mathanxiety · 18/05/2017 08:57

And look at that - 'right to buy' social housing. This will result in private landlords replacing occupiers with tenants, essentially converting former LA rentals into private rentals. It has already started.

Motheroffourdragons · 18/05/2017 08:57

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 09:02

Was listening to five yesterday. They were talking to a bunch of politicians. They randomly asked them how many houses they owned. All of them bar one only had one house. There was one who owned seven. The kipper...

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HashiAsLarry · 18/05/2017 09:07

I missed means testing of free bus passes. My df will be all over that, until he realises that means he will lose his. Will also probably mean a lot of routes in my home town shut down, they're only really used by the elderly who are likely to lose this.

Tories good for business? Nope.

This really is the most mean spirited manifesto I've seen from them in a long time. But hey, brexit was all for the benefit of the poor. Can't see them benefitting much now. Seems they're paying for it.