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Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off

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RedToothBrush · 11/05/2017 22:22

I’m going to keep this one very simple.

THE DEADLINE TO REGISTER TO VOTE IS 22ND MAY.
www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Postal votes start to go out on 23rd May.

Your challenge is to persuade someone to register to vote or to get someone who is considering not to, to get their arse to the polling station.

Go forth and harass. Especially women and the young.

That’s it. No frills OP.

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woman12345 · 14/05/2017 10:21

Just seen hustings event hidden in local paper. Has anyone been to any in their areas? What are they like? Are they dominated by racist alt right tories like so much else right now? Grin

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 14/05/2017 10:23

woman

There was one in our village in 2015

I didnt go as i didnt know it was on but a friend of mine did

She found it very interesting and did have her opinions changed about one of the parties after seeing how good their representative was compared to the others

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 14/05/2017 10:24

No idea if they are having one this year but i would be interested in going if there was

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2017 10:29

Cadwalladr is tweeting again.

Selected tweets:
Evidence of grounds to investigate: illegal campaign co-ordination, illegal sharing of data, illegal foreign or "impermissible" donations...
But no ball. @cpsuk & @metpoliceuk say it's up to @ElectoralCommUK. Which would be, you know, fine. But just one teeny tiny problem...
This all happened offshore. It's.....drum roll!....outside British jurisdiction

So considered foreign interference, though I'm not sure that's actually technically illegal in the UK (if you know different will be interesting to know. Maybe it's under other laws)

Also why did they send money to a fashion student doing social media? Hard to prove intent of coordination. Annoying thing is that's it's quite possibly deliberate and it's quite probably where any possible investigation will fall down.

The issue isn't just about playing but the rules but also playing by the spirit of the rules. When this comes to democracy Trump and the like have no regard for either.

Banks has boasted about that several times.

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 10:47

Howabout The Tories manipulate policies of the entire country, to make profits.
When it comes to financial misdeeds, they are by far the most successful and on a much bigger scale.
The Tory party just ignores and ensures they pay no penalty.

afaik, 30 of the SNP MPs weren't elected with spending over the legal limits
afaik, the SNP has no power to abolish the Electoral Commission

afaik, no major SNP figure refers to "picanninnies" and "watermelon smiles", or makes corresponding insulting remarks about English people.

The Tory party contains many politicians who dislike People of Colour and some of them openly say this, just not usually on social media, but safely among their "own kind"
The Tory Party is the mainstream party which panders to that group of voters which are racist, because their version of Conservative wishes to return to and conserve the old white UK.

The SNP are what I call "positive" nationalists:
wishing to separate themselves from an England that dominates their lives and in which they have little say, because they believe they can do better governing themselves

I respect British Nationalists wishing to leave the EU for similar positive reasons - even though the UK has had great influence in shaping the EU, losing only 2% of decisions.

I dislike the resurgence of that type of "negative" nationalism driven by English dislike of other raves and nationalities

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 10:48

other races and nationalities < raves would be fun ! >

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 10:53

AJP Taylor:
The Tory party “is an alliance of the City and the Mob”

woman12345 · 14/05/2017 10:53

Cheers rufus will investigate further.

A question on Mercer and Leave Russian and DUP filtering funding would be a laugh.

Compromise of state security doesn't count when it's private school boys in hock to Russian mafia?

Funny old world.

< raves would be fun ! >
Anti racist pro EU raves would be the way to go in the next few weeks! With free tablet. Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 10:59

Another zillionaire behind Brexit:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/13/millionaire-brexit-donor-targets-remain-mps

A leading donor behind the Brexit victory has pledged to fund a campaign to oust almost 140 pro-remain MPs in an attempt to ensure there is “no backsliding on Brexit” after the election

PattyPenguin · 14/05/2017 11:10

The Observer today is full of Brexit stories and articles. Probably worth buying a paper copy if you haven't already. Might be worth considering becoming a supporter if you just read the online stuff, if only to keep Carole Cadwalladr in a job. (Plug over)

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 11:19

Dominic Lawson (S Times paywall):
There are no Tories — only Theresa

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/there-are-no-tories-only-theresa-7f52833sm

"A candidate complained to me that the party was now ‘a cult of no personality’ Grin

"Will dealing with Downing Street after the securing of a colossal personal mandate be even more asphyxiating than it has been during the past few months of the May supremacy?

Those ministers live in almost constant fear of dressings-down from Mrs May’s joint chiefs of staff, Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill.

The vast majority of voters will have heard of neither of these two unelected special advisers,
but they are the second and third most important political figures in the land

and it is the 37-year-old Mr Timothy now writing the manifesto all those ministers will be expected to follow in the next parliament."

"as one Tory frequently in and out of No 10 put it to me:

“Try to imagine how powerful Nick Timothy is.
Now multiply by 400.
You still haven’t got it.”

This is only a continuation of the former regime at the Home Office, where the same advisers were her team’s inner core"

" the deadline < for suggestions in the Pm's red box > is 3pm on Friday, apparently:

“to give Timothy and Hill time to weed out what they don’t want her to see”.

"I prefer to believe that this new rule is simply to allow Nick Timothy time to make his own comments on the ministerial suggestions in her red box.
Even then, it is interesting that May is so completely reliant on his interpretations."

"this secretive, politically friendless and yet virtuous woman has a surprising lack of self-confidence."

"But a lack of intellectual confidence in a leader can have the unfortunate consequence that she (or he) finds it impossible to accommodate first-class minds in her top team"

"Good policies emerge only from fearless internal argument:
this is as true in political organisations as it is in big corporations.

The biggest mistakes occur when those advising the person at the top become too afraid to speak truth to power."

For example, when Margaret Thatcher was determined to push through what became known as the poll tax, my father as chancellor was the only cabinet minister who argued against it.
Other senior colleagues could see the potential for disaster but did not want to risk conflict with a dominating prime minister.
Thatcher took quite a few years to become that dominant — and in her heyday relished difficult arguments with strong-minded colleagues."

"Still, the British public has always liked the idea of a strong leader who says what she’ll do and then does it.
Mrs May is gaining enormous electoral traction by appealing to that tradition.

Let’s hope such a mandate gives her the confidence not to run a cabinet of fearful mediocrity."

woman12345 · 14/05/2017 11:44

Speaking to Britain's ITV, he said the world faced an escalating threat, and there was concern about the level of potential attacks on Monday morning

The virus took control of users' files, demanding payments; Russia and the UK were among the worst hit countries

Security experts have warned that another attack is imminent and could be unstoppable

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39913630

Hmm
woman12345 · 14/05/2017 11:49

@johnprescott
Emily Thornberry just delivered one of the best ever political ambushes.
Even better, it was on Fallon

twitter.com/MarrShow/status/863683047064981504/video/1

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 12:11

(S Times) May is a leader strong and stable
in her desire to tell the voters little

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/election-2017/a-leader-strong-and-stable-in-her-desire-to-tell-the-voters-little-rtqbrk02n

Theresa May is no Robert Peel.

In 1834 Sir Robert produced the blueprint for all subsequent manifestos.
The Tory leader’s Tamworth manifesto declared:

“I feel it incumbent upon me to enter into a full declaration of my views on public policy, as full and unreserved as I can make it.”

The present Conservative leader will unveil her party’s manifesto “late and saying as little as possible”

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2017 12:24

John Healey MP @JohnHealey_MP
Not even 10am and Tories' overnight housing pledge has unravelled. On @MarrShow Michael Fallon admits not a single penny of extra funding.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

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RedToothBrush · 14/05/2017 13:08

Robert Peston
Why Brexit negotiations could collapse as soon as this summer. David Davis, Secretary of State for exiting the EU, tells me he rejects EU negotiating mandate and he will have very difficult July and August if Tories win election. Worth watching whole interview, if this stuff matters to you.

www.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=RotUXuOlaac&app=desktop

SURPRISE!

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 13:30

First they savage your policies .... then they steal them !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/14/general-election-2017-may-promises-homes-for-generation-rent-politics-live

< wait a year or 2; maybe they'll nick something from Corbyn ! >

"Ruth Davidson has made a significant switch on health policy
by announcing the Scottish Conservatives will endorse free prescriptions in Scotland, as she moves to capture working class unionist votes in the general election

The Scottish Tories said they had changed stance because free prescriptions were popular Hmm

The Scottish Tories have been arch critics of the policy at Holyrood, introduced by Alex Salmond soon after the Scottish National party’s narrow win in the 2007 Scottish elections"

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2017 13:46

When reading Carole Cadwalladr remember this:

Westministenders: Before the Fire Alarm of Rome goes off
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woman12345 · 14/05/2017 14:02

has to shut up Hmm he's clearly not met us.Smile

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2017 14:14

Robert Peston‏ @Peston
Why Brexit talks likely to be in meltdown as soon as summer. Worth watching whole of @DavidDavisMP interview with me

David Allen Green‏**@davidallengreen**

Oh dear.

That's it. Oh dear. That worries me more than a longer comment...

Just talked to DH about it saying they won't be that stupid. I told him to stop being rational, they aren't. He went "shit they aren't and I keep on thinking as if they are". I pointed out they also weren't competent. He went silent before saying "shit we are fucked".

David Allen Green‏ @davidallengreen
The UK is on a "collision course" with the EU in the same way one is on a collision course when you walk into a wall.

I now expect the Conservative manifesto to include something about No Deal. The plan is no deal. And chaotic exit. To be announced shortly after the election to shock and disbelief from plenty of Cons who were remainers but stayed loyal because of Theresa's leadership.

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RedToothBrush · 14/05/2017 14:15

David Allen Green‏*@davidallengreen*

The interview is not encouraging. Lots of laughing evasions and hand-waving, little evidence of serious engagement.

You mean like JCJ said... except he was 'spinning'.

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Bearbehind · 14/05/2017 14:21

It's most disconcerting that DD randomly starts laughing near the end then carries on talking about rights of EU citizens Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 14:21

I'm sure the line will be that the UK was forced out of the EU without a deal, entirely because of "punishment" by the EUSSR - that welllknown communist Frau Merkel - and "sabotage" by the Fifth Column Remainers.

The Tories will accept no blame.
Probably most of the public will believe them.
Or rather believe the Fail, Express, Sun, Torygraph and hardright social media
All in a day's work for Cambridge Analytica & co to sell the Hard Turd of a Hard Brexit.

woman12345 · 14/05/2017 14:22

Why Brexit negotiations could collapse as soon as this summer.

Seriously time to get prepping. Winter could be particularly cold and hungry.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/05/2017 14:25

Human rights for foreigners, as a subject for mirth, would go down well with many Tories.
So giggles won't be a problem for DD.