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Brexit survey - Impact of the Greek crisis

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Varinia · 31/03/2017 00:01

If you voted to LEAVE the EU in last year’s referendum, please give up 2 minutes of your time to complete a very short survey conducted by the University of Bedfordshire (demographics and two questions only) on the effect of the Greek crisis on your decision to vote leave.
If you can, please also share with friends and family where relevant as we're looking for as large a sample as possible.
Thank you very much in advance

bedshealthsciences.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_ebT7Lg8u33L3ctn

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Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 20:29

Ah yes leavers are a hive mind though aren't they, when its convenient and they start to go on about "The will of the people" to justify anything they want.

But yes, its an attempt to make voting for leave legitimate, rather than admitting it was about immigration.

InfiniteSheldon · 09/04/2017 20:39

My Leave vote wasn't about immigration but don't let facts get in the way of your intolerant bigotry now will you

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 20:41

Ah yes leavers are a hive mind though aren't they, when its convenient and they start to go on about "The will of the people" to justify anything they want.

Does this happen often in the circles you move in?
I've yet to hear a Leaver say that in real life tbh.

But yes, its an attempt to make voting for leave legitimate, rather than admitting it was about immigration.

How is immigration and its control/management etc not a 'legitimate' reason?
And why on earth would someone pretend otherwise?
I'm confused tbh - what is so shameful about that reason that you'd pretend otherwise?

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 20:43

I really do think I need it explained more clearly tbh Danny.

What exactly are you getting at, because I just can't see it.

fakenamefornow · 09/04/2017 20:50

Danny

I agree and am sick of pussy footing around it and qualifying everything with 'some' and 'not all's. Most leave voters I know are not just 'concerned about immigration' they are out and out racists and have become much more vocal about it since the referendum.

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 20:54

Crikey!

Was that Danny's real meaning fakename?!

Leave voters are RACIST??!!

ShockShock

Gosh.

Well that's a turn up.

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 20:55

I firmly believe lots of people voted leave because of immigration, lots of the same people saying it was about democracy were happy for Theresa May to use the royal prerogative rather than have parliament vote on the Brexit bill, the language used to describe the judges etc.

Furthermore, control of immigration wasn't a legtimate reason at all, because those demanding control of it blame immigration for things that it isn't responsible for, and give these as reasons for wanting control.

However the democracy and sovereignty, as well as Greece gave some leave voters a cover story for what they actually didn't want to admit to, that it was their prejudices toward immigration that was driving their vote.

I've heard the "will of the people" in real life, seen it on here, seen it in other places used to defend all sorts of things from leaving the single market to cutting immigration to 50,000 a year etc. Yet surely not all leavers voted for this? So the hive mind is convinient when it suits, but not when it doesn't is what I'm saying.

I also never said ALL leave voters, I said leave voters who used Greece as a reason for wanting to leave.

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 20:58

Not all leave voters, again this seems to be a tactic, unless you use the caveat "some" when discussing the vote.

Right then, some leave voters, a significant number are, however lots of people don't feel they can admit that publicly so look for reasons to legitimise their actions.

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 20:59

I must admit that it never occurred to me that a vote to leave the EU instantly converted me to becoming racist.

Why wasn't this made clear to me??!!

I thought I was voting on membership of the EU - how come no one told me that it was something entirely different Shock

Well, thank goodness there's good folk out there like fakenamefornow and Dannythechampion looking out for poor fools like me, to point out the error of my ways.

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 21:05

But I didn't say all.

Its something you have to reconcile yourself though, that you have voted alongside those that are, and that a significant part of the campaign for you to get what you want had to appeal to their prejudices in order for them to vote with you.

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 21:09

I don't have to reconcile anything tbh Danny, my conscience is clear - but thanks for the concern nonetheless.

fakenamefornow · 09/04/2017 21:25

SemiPermanent

I started a thread a while ago questioning whether anybody ever thinks of themselves as racist. What are your thoughts on this?

The racists I know take huge offence at the suggestion that they might be racist, while at the same time describing Romanians as animals who throw rubbish in the street.

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 21:50

Well I know I'm not racist, if that helps?

I'm not sure exactly what you expect me to say tbh.

I voted Leave - that's enough of a reason for some people to call me racist, but it's rather a bigoted and narrow minded viewpoint to take really.

Perhaps all of the Leave voters you know are racists/xenophobes but the same doesn't hold true amongst Leave voters that I know.

caroldecker · 09/04/2017 21:54

fakename I assume you are friends with these Leave voters whose opinions you know so well. I would get a new group of friends.

Danny why other people voted they way they did is of no consequence to me - I think a Remain vote is racist as it favours a club of White Western Christian countries over those in Africa and Asia. I would not suggest that all Remain voters are racist however.

caroldecker · 09/04/2017 21:54

Apologies - I think the EU is racist, not a Remain vote.

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 21:56

Oh Carol that's hilarious.

Now shall we think of the reason why that is?

Oh yeah, cause they're our neighbours and the countries in Africa and Asia aren't. They all favour their neighbours too.

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 22:00

Danny, did you see the EU advert which showed the white heroes (EU) taming the 'savages'?

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 22:01

m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SYwV9034kM

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 22:07

That's just poorly thought out isn't it.

Apparently it was designed to be a viral ad aimed at 18-2 year olds and promoting the expansion of the EU. Definitely has references to Kill Bill in their too.

However it doesn't represent the ideology of the EU really does it?

fakenamefornow · 09/04/2017 22:09

I would get a new group of friends.

They're my family.

fakenamefornow · 09/04/2017 22:10

Oh, and I've heard these opinions all my life.

Dannythechampion · 09/04/2017 22:10

Its also still not as bad as the "breaking point" poster.

WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/04/2017 22:12

I also never said ALL leave voters, I said leave voters who used Greece as a reason for wanting to leave.

WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/04/2017 22:13

Sorry, that was supposed to be in bold with some Confused Hmm Confused

SemiPermanent · 09/04/2017 22:32

So clearly racist undertones & blatant use of lazy stereotypes is 'poorly thought out' if it's an EU sanctioned thing?

No.
It's not 'poorly thought out', and it matters not who it was aimed at nor what age its intended audience was.
It is appalling.