We don't have to pay a penny to the EU under Brexit!

[Olympiathequeen]

Latest news. There is no legal requirement to pay a penny and no court in the world that will enforce punitive 'divorce' penalties on us

We probably will pay something, but they can feck off with their 60 billion pounds.

I just hope it will curb some of the more rabid EU urges to 'punish' us for a democratic choice to no longer trade within rules that no longer suit us.

Just supposing.

To placate the coup merchants at conservative central office, Banks was offered:
banning trade unions; complete control of tax laws; abolition of human rights; abolition of health and safety law; legal liability of all citizens to report 'illegals'; legal liability for unpatriotic press.

Would he still want to leave the EU ?

"I think we will be better off in the long run."

How?

Nobody has said there will not be short term costs.
Presumably Boris Johnson, Gove and Gisela Stuart are nobodies because they promised us £350 million a week for the NHS.

Osborne did say we would be worse off if we voted Leave, but that was dismissed as 'Project Fear'.

""I think we will be better off in the long run."

How?"

I'd also like to add, when? In 10 years, 20, 50?

I think we will be better off in the long run.

I imagine Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Gisela Stuart and Jacob Rees Mogg won't be substantially worse off in the long run. But as for the rest of us...

I guess people still holding out for that awesome American trade deal?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wibur-ross-donald-trump-commerce-chief-brexit-god-given-opportunity-trade-uk-eu-europe-a7603861.html

If we can afford a £60 billion pound fighting fund, and the economy did better than expected (although I'm not that impressed with the figure juggling) where's the economic disaster being predicted by the Remain side? Where's the punitive budget from Osborne?

Lies on both sides I think, including the NHS £350 million.

Hilarious
Reneging on our responsibilities to the EU will make us REALLY attractive trade deal prospects for other countries!
What a shitshow

Osbourne is no longer Chancellor, Olympia. He doesn't set budgets.

"Lies on both sides" falls squarely in the same category as "Hillary is just as bad as Trump"

Where's the punitive budget from Osborne?

You're kidding, right?! Do you know the name of the current chancellor of the exchequer?

Lies on both sides
like lying about election expenses?
(voiding government's mandate since 2015)

^Downing Street is 'deeply worried' about police probe into election expenses that could threaten Theresa May's Commons majority
Up to six by-elections could be forced if prosecutions proceed, it is claimed
Downing Street is said to be 'deeply worried' about police fraud probe
It centres around allegations of overspending which was not declared
The Tories deny wrongdoing in marginal seats including South Thanet^

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4280950/Downing-Street-deeply-worried-police-probe.html#ixzz4aSsTewfc

Tanith. I think I may have noticed who's chancellor as he's just about to deliver a budget on Wednesday

I was referring to the lies Osborne (the then chancellor) et al told that matched the lies the Leave side told.

Osborne didn't produce a punitive budget because he was sacked soon after the referendum. Sacked chancellors don't produce budgets, punitive or otherwise. So either you didn't realise this, or you asked very stupid question.

If we can afford a £60 billion pound fighting fund, and the economy did better than expected (although I'm not that impressed with the figure

Tory plan at 2015 election was to have got rid of deficit by 2020. Hammond abandoned this due to Brexit . This latest is just spin for the economically dumb.

If we want any country to trust us ever again with a trade deal or treaty, we are going to have to pay up to the EU. Which would reduce the purely notional 'fighting fund' to a big fat zero.

"Tanith. I think I may have noticed who's chancellor as he's just about to deliver a budget on Wednesday"

Really? You gave the distinct impression that you hadn't realised Osbourne was sacked after the Referendum and had no authority or responsibility to set budgets.

I wonder why you didn't know that? Silly slip, wasn't it?

Has anyone referenced front page of The Times yet on March 3rd?

"Despite voting to Leave the EU Brit Tax payers will contribute more than
£230 million to the bill, more than twice the annual cost of running the house of Lords. ....help fund a "private army" to protect MEPS as part of EU spending spree"

"4.5 million towards pro - EU publicity campaign for the 2019 elections, which don't even include Britain"

MEP Jonathon Arnott said " The EU Parliaments costs continue to spiral out of control, now including a private army." He is opposed to the increase and the EU default of ....."spending more money".

"Easy ways to cut costs have been ignored year in and year out".

"Last year the parliament decided to spend 3.7 million more on its own limousines and uniformed chauffeurs. Both guards and drivers will be required to make the 550 mile round trip to Strasbourg once a month leading to another 1.2 million in costs"

Yes Mr Exit they have been taking the piss for far too long imho.

Can't wait till we are out.

Of course it would be considerably less than £230 million had we not voted to trash our currency...

I can't access the article so can't see what this is about, but the numbers sound very small compared to the costs estimated for Brexit so far. I don't really understand what element of the story is newsworthy.

Peter North: "Yes, Brexit IS worth the hassle"

For Leavers, I recommend blogs by the Norths:
longterm prominent Leavers, but highly knowledgeable aout trade & exonomics

They are articulate about why they think Brexit will be worth it in the end.
They are very criticial of May not going for the much less painful EEA / EFTA Brexit, but still say Brexit will be worth it.

I totally disagree with their aims, their wish for drastic changes for very nebulous national aspirations.
I have freely chosen the EE
I'm impressed by their great depth of knowledge about Brexit issues and I trust their forecasts more than any others atm.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.de/2017/03/yes-brexit-is-worth-hassle.html

"There may well be no sunlit uplands, but we have given ourselves the tools to build our country according to our own ideals and values.
Where does it say that we must open up to hyper globalisation without ever having a say in it? Why should we endure bewildering and rapid change, destroying the landscapes we value - again without a say?"

"Whichever way you look at it, Brexit is going to be a bloody mess.
There was a way to do it intelligently via the EEA but that window is now closed. Consequently we will lose substantial trade with the EU while sending our own governance into chaos."

"With exports badly hit we will see prices fluctuating as producers find ways to sell their surpluses on the domestic market. Some prices will crash, others will skyrocket.
Meanwhile the government will be doing a lot more and we can expect to see the normal business of government shelved"

"Even if the UK secures a free trade agreement things are not going to settle down for a while. On the whole the economy will take a hit and we can expect to see a reordering of the economy....

I expect it will hit the NHS quite hard.

... I think we are going to see crisis after crisis and we will be faced with the stark reality that things cannot continue as before.
Hard choices will have to be made and they are likely to have deeply unpopular consequences.
It is likely that we will see considerable inflation and it will be harder to make ends meet....

A lot of things we have taken for granted over the last twenty years are going to change.
As a less affluent country, lifestyles will change and so will the highstreet.
The left have moaned about austerity for years. They are about to find out what it really looks like.

I think it will take a decade or more just to get back to normal.
There are no guarantees that we will be better off. All we can say for certain is that things will be different"

The Uk also subsidises GE postage etc for political parties
The EU supplies some funding to all political parties in the Parliament. in fact UKIP are in financial trouble now they are no longer able to obtain funds from the EU Parliament - due to misuse of money received.

The "security force" for the EU OParliament and MEPs isn't that strange an idea - they are an obvious target for terrorism.
Westminster also costs a lot to protect and in fact the UK should provide far more resources on security for MPs: it is outrageous that so many - especially women - feel at risk performing their Parliamentary duties in their constituencies and in everyday life.
That's bad for democracy

Thanks for the summary from Richard North bigChoc. Very depressing. I think we should also expect a serious and long term graduate recruitment freeze.

ninon If we want any country to trust us ever again with a trade deal or treaty, we are going to have to pay up to the EU. As long as our liabilities are set against the assets we have contributed to but will no longer be using then fine; so the wine cellar for example, and the costs for the new EU building that we won't be using that we have contributed to; the costs of the EEAS missions that we won't be needing anymore, especially as we have our own embassies anyway. It isn't just a one way street where the UK has to pay tribute to the EU satrapy.

I fail to see why the EU needs a 'security force' when NATO (which is also HQd in Brussels) gets by without one, and uses the Belgian Military police when an escort is needed.

Kaija it was not an article laying out costs against the cost of brexit. It was article laying out extortionate billowing costs for utter rubbish for the eu, perhaps however you don't mind UK tax payer money going to ferry eu burocrats to strasborg every month..... I do.

Quite scary. Or paying into eu marketing when we will have left before the next elections.

Have you ever seen a chart showing our EU contributions as a proportion of UK government spending? It's a sliver almost too small to see.

If you're worried about those figures you should be very very worried about what is coming.