New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

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Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

Long shift here too.

As a leaver I would certainly call out the 'casualties' narrative by a an other leaver. It's not acceptable in my view. I am also sick to death of people coming along and using the 'get over it' statement or the 'people have decided'. All that happens is we go round in circles and we get the 52% narrative again. So all pretty pointless.
I must say that my up bring wasn't dominated by the ' we won the war' or the 'sun never sets on the Empire' narrative as Peregrina has suggested hers was and I am in my 60s so brought up in the 50s and 60s. I was brought up in a much more liberal way but perhaps that's because we were in Scotland. I don't know.
As for the crux of the thread. I feel I have gleaned from recent interviews Amber Rudd has given that the whole immigration process is up for significant change. I got the impression that there will be an entirely new style of form for EU citizens and that the 85 page document used at the moment for non EU citizens, will not be used for them.

Maybe being in Scotland did make the difference. I don't know if you had a brother Corcory, but boys comics were dedicated to stories of fighting the Germans. Then DB switched to the Beano - much better!

I'm glad to see leavers starting to condemn some of the most offensive rhetoric, thank you corcory.

Cheerfully talking about "casualties" as if they're an acceptable price (these are the partners and children of Britons you're talking about ...) doesn't help bring people together. Nor does the use of that horrible Americanism "illegals", being sprayed around by our visitor with the 4chan inspired username above.

This thread is about EU citizens; by definition, none of them arrived in the UK illegally.

I suppose I was used to the fact that films and TV were dominated by war films or cowboys and Indians. Brothers weren't allowed those types of comics and my parents didn't allow us to play with toy guns as they were of farming stock and kept real guns in the house so we were taught they were not toys and were never for playing with.

I suppose I was used to the fact that films and TV were dominated by war films or cowboys and Indians. Brothers weren't allowed those types of comics and my parents didn't allow us to play with toy guns as they were of farming stock and kept real guns in the house so we were taught they were not toys and were never for playing with.

I suppose I was used to the fact that films and TV were dominated by war films or cowboys and Indians. Brothers weren't allowed those types of comics and my parents didn't allow us to play with toy guns as they were of farming stock and kept real guns in the house so we were taught they were not toys and were never for playing with.

"Casualties" = human rights abuse on a massive scale. It won't happen, but that doesn't mean there won't be a lot of fear until the issue of the rights of EU citizens in the U.K. and UK citizens in Europe is sorted out.

Sorry about the repeated post! computer didn't show it had come up on the thread so I tried again and 3 came up!!!

Thank you Corcory

'Casualties' is the same word that has been used by the same Tory government when they introduces the new benefits system.
I was even told that you can't do an omelette wo breaking some eggs so that was the price to pay 'to get rid of all the scroungers that are abusing the system'. Never mind the poor sod who was entitled to said benefits and will struggle for months on end.

Same here :(:(

I have to say though it IS heart warming to see some Leave voters supporting EU citizens, on this thread and in others.

orcory

As a leaver I would certainly call out the 'casualties' narrative by a an other leaver. It's not acceptable in my view. I am also sick to death of people coming along and using the 'get over it' statement or the 'people have decided'. All that happens is we go round in circles and we get the 52% narrative again. So all pretty pointless.
I must say that my up bring wasn't dominated by the ' we won the war' or the 'sun never sets on the Empire' narrative as Peregrina has suggested hers was and I am in my 60s so brought up in the 50s and 60s. I was brought up in a much more liberal way but perhaps that's because we were in Scotland. I don't know.
As for the crux of the thread. I feel I have gleaned from recent interviews Amber Rudd has given that the whole immigration process is up for significant change. I got the impression that there will be an entirely new style of form for EU citizens and that the 85 page document used at the moment for non EU citizens, will not be used for them.

Yay!!!!! Another scottish leaver!!! We do exist after all

I am another one in support of easier forms!

I think that elements post above is spot on. Thanks corcory for what you said.

I was brought up in a much more liberal way

My own parents had no time for this jingoistic nonsense. In about 1958 at infant school we made little Union Jacks and marched round the School playground on Empire Day. My mother said tartly that we no longer had an Empire, we now had a Commonwealth. However, at about the same time DH's mother, in a different part of the UK, used to hang a Union Jack out of the window on Empire Day.

We lived in Wales at the time - and I don't think the Empire ever did much for Wales, so it was a curious way to behave.

Re Amber Rudd an new forms - is an 85 page form even acceptable for non-EU citizens?

I have noticed more uj flag wavers (orangemen) etc in scotland than I have ever seen in my life. I grew up in the south east of England.
My sister who went to uni in Wales said the same for Wales.
I guess that is what happens s to people if they feel their country is being undermined by the equal and opposite forces of nationalism.
Good on your mum re. Empire day

I got the impression that there will be an entirely new style of form for EU citizens and that the 85 page document used at the moment for non EU citizens, will not be used for them.

Admittedly she's not the Home Secretary, but that is not at all what Liz Truss (Justice Sec) said on QT - asked if she thought EU nationals should have to fill in the 85 page form, it appears that she said "yes".

My suspicion is that she doesn't really know, and that very little government thought or planning has been applied to this question yet, but that the basic starting point is that EU nationals, including those already here for decades, will get no special concessions.

A bit like the eu flag wavers now

but that the basic starting point is that EU nationals, including those already here for decades, will get no special concessions.

YY

When TM was in charge of the immigration system, she had been asked several times to make the system for non eu citizens easier. She always refused. I can't see why she would change stance now.

EU nationals will get treated differently to other immigrants because it is impossible to require EU citizens to fulfil requirements (e.g. to document all the times they left and rentered the UK in the past) when there was no legal requirement for them to record that information - indeed, EU FOM very pointedly dispensed of any need to do so.

There is a huge difference between requiring EU citizens residing in the U.K. to have complied with the law governing them (e.g. comprehensive sickness insurance) and requiring them to have complied with laws that did not apply to them.

EU nationals will get treated differently to other immigrants because it is impossible to require EU citizens to fulfil requirements (e.g. to document all the times they left and rentered the UK in the past) when there was no legal requirement for them to record that information - indeed, EU FOM very pointedly dispensed of any need to do so.

This makes logical sense, but this is not the current situation, and there is no clear indication from the government that they intend to make the process simpler.

If it does get simplified it will be because the cost of processing 3 million x 85 = 255 million pages will be prohibitive, especially as many long-term EU citizens are finding that they cannot submit their application on-line.

It is not the current situation because the current situation has not yet been addressed by the government. That is why official advice is to do nothing as EU citizens' status in the U.K. has not changed.

Just as my status in France has not changed. However, I am making pretty damn sure I am complying with the law and am researching all the possible scenarii open to me and my family.

A revised PR and immigration process for EU citizens will not fall foul of human rights legislation - our European partners will see to that.

If it does get simplified it will be because the cost of processing 3 million x 85 = 255 million pages will be prohibitive, especially as many long-term EU citizens are finding that they cannot submit their application on-line.

I suppose this will be like the melt down at the passport offices we had a couple of years back. Another success for Mrs May, I recall.