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New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

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Mistigri · 27/02/2017 13:02

Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

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TheElementsSong · 03/03/2017 07:21

Casualties? Shock

Lessthanaballpark · 03/03/2017 07:24

Yes Elements, casualties. The people who thought they were coming to a liberal tolerant country, put down their roots here and contributed to our economy.

Their own fault really for being so naive. Hmm

Mistigri · 03/03/2017 07:28

Great article here from Ian Dunt that echoes, in parts, what Dorothy said above:

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/23/the-reduction-in-migration-numbers-is-a-british-tragedy

"... Europeans who had lived here for decades, suddenly feeling unwanted in their home. People who had thought highly of the English, of the deep sense of fair play and stability that England provides, now suddenly uncertain of the nature of the country and their place in it.

...

So now the [net migration] numbers are declining and we're supposed to be happy about it. Happy that people have seen violence and abuse on our streets and decided not to come, happy that people have felt uncomfortable and rejected by a country they have lived in for years.

I'm not happy about it. Those figures constitute workers who will not contribute to Britain's economy, who will not set up a company, or become a doctor, or oversee a research project, or take a risk on a shop, or open a restaurant, or fall in love here, or make friends here, or bring their food and music here – or, yes, work in labouring, or fruit picking, or social care, or many of the other seemingly menial jobs which allow them to start saving and send money home and do the jobs people need doing.

And this country won't be able to have an impact on them. It won't bring to their lives the unique things which Britain provides, the ways in which it makes people more restrained and more accepting, the liberating sense of stability it provides, the balance between social and individual rights, the engrained suspicion of the state, the wariness of absolute thought in politics or religion, the sense of irony, and privacy, and mutual respect. It will not be able to continue improving a world it has retreated from.

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woman12345 · 03/03/2017 07:33

Thanks for the Ian Dunt, he's great.
These threads have taught me the actual physical realities of what is happening, with what several have posted about their personal trauma over where or how they can continue with their lives here or in mainland Europe.
I have learnt a lot.

DorothyL · 03/03/2017 07:53

Sorry Misti, didn't think that you were attacking me, just worrying what response I might get from other quarters!

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 08:18

If there is a large forced exodus of migrants back to their country of origin it is mostly going to be repeated in kind to any UK citizens who reside in Europe
because as with a manoeuvre such as this there is going to be no doubt the odd casualties
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OhtoblazeswithElvira · 03/03/2017 09:43

woman I think the Equality Act will be another, erm, casualty of Brexit - mid term. First (as soon as she can I think) TM will repeal the Human Rights Act. Abhorrent as that is I believe it will be very popular with a majority of voters Sad

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 10:06

I know, like her friends in Trump's administration reneging on racial and gender equality legislation, but there's a fight back there and a fight back here/ Smile
We're not going anywhere!

Peregrina · 03/03/2017 10:07

Dorothy - you will find a certain number of people on these threads get very, very twitchy when comparisons with the beginnings of Nazi Germany are made. 80 or 90 years ago, people had an excuse, they didn't know where things might lead; now we don't - we know exactly where it could go.

(As for us who are British, and er getting on in years, like me - we were stuffed full of two narratives growing up - how wonderful the Empire was on which the sun never set, and 'we won the War' so we have had bigotry ingrained in us.)

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 10:09

I believe it will be very popular with a majority of voters
so the trolls and right wing press tell us.
'You can fool some of the people, some of the time etc.'

Anon1234567890 · 03/03/2017 10:11

Its amazing how many people are able to know what TM is thinking. It seems that because a few non EU illegals are deported then there is a secret plan to deport all EU citizens. Really? So the UK is supposed to allow anyone from anywhere in the world to come here permanently and no one can ever be deported?

I wonder if the HOL amendment is successful would it actually make anything better or could it even make things worse.

People who are legally here would get to stay (as was always going to happen) the rest will have to leave. And you won't be able to blame TM, she wanted to negotiate a deal with the EU but it will be the HOL fault for tying us in to this amendment. Will the supposed 'tensions' decrease or will they escalate if EU citizens are only seen to be staying here because of a few unelected Lords.

The sooner we hit the A50 button the sooner we can sort all this out.

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 10:11

we know exactly where it could go.
Great point Peregrina and the same is noted in US fight back. Knowledge is power.

EmilyAlice · 03/03/2017 10:11

We revolted against it though Peregrina. 😀

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 10:11

Yesterday's script Hmm

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 10:12

We revolted against it though Peregrina. 😀

And won nearly 80 years of peace, democracy and prosperity. Kudos to the last victors against fascism.

TheElementsSong · 03/03/2017 10:12

I just love how this forum is frequently chock-full of Leave voters who are simply outraged at any Improper Tone implying even an iota of xenophobia or racism in even a single neuron of a single voter...

But when posters show up posting the old favourite "suck it up" or scoffing at people's fears, or dismissing people who could have their entire lives messed up as "casualties" and plenty of ugly sentiments on the other recent immigration threads (and I'll never forget, way back in the mists of time, we even had a poster who held up the existence of community centres as evidence of lack of integration by migrants, and everyone who remonstrated with her was... NotALeaver, shall we say) - mysteriously, the Guardians of The Tone are nowhere to be seen.

But, y'know, that's fine.

EmilyAlice · 03/03/2017 10:17

Indeed woman though I was talking about those of us on the barricades of the sixties against bigotry and the wonders of Empire (amongst other things).

Peregrina · 03/03/2017 10:19

Its amazing how many people are able to know what TM is thinking.

We judge her by how she behaved in her six years at the Home Office.

You might scoff about 'illegals' and think it's all right to boot them out. There is a slow creep going on. At the turn of the 20th Century, Germans would have been astounded to find that citizens who were later to serve their country in War would be deliberately murdered during the next war. It could happen here - they could come for you next.

Anon1234567890 · 03/03/2017 10:37

We judge her (TM) by how she behaved in her six years at the Home Office

Which was a great success. She sorted out racial stop and search. Refused to hand over Gary McKinnon to the US. Scrapped the national identity cards. Provided massive amounts of aid to refugees in countries near Syria. Brought down crime rates. Reformed policing, especially in respect to child abuse, rape and violence against women. The inquiry into Hillsborough. She accepted parliament didn't want to leave the ECHR....

woman12345 · 03/03/2017 10:41

We're having great fun spotting scripts elsewhere.

Today's seems to include May's successes. Cake

Anon1234567890 · 03/03/2017 10:48

Brew with that Cake ?

Peregrina · 03/03/2017 10:49

She had some successes - although taking the credit for Hillsborough is a bit rich. The credit there goes to the families who didn't give up.

Mostly she had failures. But she sweeps those under the carpet. Her much trumpeted attempts to get non -EU immigration down ended in failure.

Anon1234567890 · 03/03/2017 10:51

Her much trumpeted attempts to get non -EU immigration down ended in failure

Given most of the posters here seem to prefer unlimited migration shouldn't that be consider a positive?

LittlePickleHead · 03/03/2017 10:52

Casualties? Angry
Like the British children scared that their mummy will be deported?

I have no fucking words.

Peregrina · 03/03/2017 11:18

Given most of the posters here seem to prefer unlimited migration shouldn't that be consider a positive?

It doesn't alter the fact that she didn't achieve what she said she wanted to do.