New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

[Mistigri]

Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

In fact, just checked:

I said on the Brexit Arms thread on the 28th Feb (before the lords voted) that if the Lords vote for that amendment it would be no bad thing in my opinion as it was the only amendment I agreed with in the commons stage.

I said on the new WM one (after the lords voted) that it was the only amendment I agreed with in the commons stage.

I have also posted before the bill was even introduced that I would like to see UK doing the right thing and making a unilateral decision re EU citizens who have made their life here.

semi in that case I apologise - I missed your post in the WM thread and don't read the brexit arms threads. I do think that there are probably plenty of brexiters who are broadly in agreement with guaranteeing rights, it's just that they are not especially vocal about it.

It is, however, reasonable and logical to assume that if the majority of Brexiters posting on social media are in favour of NOT unilaterally guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens, then it's because it suits their agenda.

And regardless of whether the primary intention is to keep EU citizens living in uncertainty, this is certainly its practical effect.

Would agree that semi and wrong in particular have always said that eu citizens living here should be protected

I am sure there are others but i dont remember their names

No worries Misti, I'm not upset!

I just hate seeing broad sweeping statements such as the one by Fakename which attributes an underlying nastiness to all Leave posters on the EU threads.

I am aware though that there are a few dubious posters, and across SM as a whole there is a lot of nasty posturing which I do think is awful, just as many other Leavers no doubt do.

To be really honest, the fact that the Lords voted to protect the rights of eu citizens (and uk citizens in the eu) here is great.
However I do not believe this is what TM wants nor do it believe she has any intention to 'negociate'.
I believe that in her head the decision has already been taken. People who can get the permanent residence card will be able to stay, they others will leave.
That's why the people who are refused the PRC are being told to get ready to leave.
That's why people who get the PRC are told to keep it on them at all time (which would also suggest the plan to be able to check on immigrants on the spot btw)
That also wh y we have the new regulation of the 1st February. My understanding of it is that basically anyone who isn't fulfilling the criteria for the PRC will be treated as being illegally in the country and therefore can be deported or can be stop entering the country. I know the official reason is to tackle the homeless Romanians. Except that they don't need it to send them back home. They could do that now wo any new regulation. That regulation is what will be in place when the so called negociations will be over.

I truly believe that TM to be very sly. She will put things into place very quietly avoiding anyone's grumble. Then when everything is in place, she will just say oh look. This is place, now we just have to implement it!

And YY about the fact that some people DO want to see eu citizens being send back home. It's obvious even wo going on some Leave threads.

Red do you think she will extend this to EU citizens who have family ties to Brits - spouses, parents?

I truly believe that TM to be very sly. She will put things into place very quietly avoiding anyone's grumble. Then when everything is in place, she will just say oh look. This is place, now we just have to implement it!

I fully agree about the slyness. She is a thoroughly nasty piece of work IMO. I am also getting tired of her religiosity - I won't call it Christian because it doesn't seem to be.

Will she extend it to citizens who have ties to Brits - spouses, parents? Yes. She has already done so with non EU citizens so why should she not?

dorothy you are in the same place than me.
I'm struggling to get everything to get the permanent residence card. My husband is British and so are my dcs.
And yes I believe she will be ready to kick us out, just as she has done
/is doing for non eu citizens.

If she had been more flexible on that for non eu migrants, I would have had more hope.

I do realise it's quite a negative way of looking at this and will probably make you even more anxious. :(

It's just crap.

I believe her capable of it but don't you think there will be some resistance to it?

RedAndYellowPeppers I am so ashamed to live in a country that's doing this.

From who?
The EU - I don't she cares. Her main aim is immigration and she has said before this comes before anything else, incl economy

People in the uk? Some will but not all of them far from. I actually believe that quite a lot of people will be delighted to be ab,e to kick eu citizens out. That is until they can't see a doctor, don't have a career for their elderly mum or fruits and vegs are impossible to find at a decent price in supermarket (because there is non one to pick them up)
I'm living in a fully Leave area though so my take on things is ertainly affected by it.

I can't see why people are getting overly concerned about the matter as it will not happen- If there is a large forced exodus of migrants back to their country of origin it is mostly going to be repeated in kind to any UK citizens who reside in Europe.

What people are now realising is that the vote to leave was driven partly by the very matter of immigration- People have voted for it and that is what it will be.
I doubt there is anyone on here who has anything to worry about or need to be worried about either.
People also need to stop using the 'Nazi ideals' of it and stereotyping the effects of Brexit as such.

The citizens of the the UK voted for it and those who feel they lost need to get on with life and get over it.

"If there is a large forced exodus of migrants back to their country of origin it is mostly going to be repeated in kind to any UK citizens who reside in Europe"

I don't think this follows at all. The EU27 will not necessarily retaliate. Public opinion / the press in other EU countries have been very sympathetic to U.K. residents.

Golly, a pearl of wisdom so profound that it could bypass an entire thread of discussion .

No, there may not be a 'large forced exodus', but that doesn't stop individual people being terrified that the Home Office may decide, for whatever reason, that you have no right to stay in the UK post- brexit. If that happened to you, you might be deported, and even if not, it would stop you being able to leave the UK (such as going to visit family) because you might not be able to get back into the UK again. People like my DH who came here 34 y ars ago and has made his whole life here.

As I said it won't happen.

Mind I wonder how many people are sitting behind their computer screens now not wanting to comment who are thinking;

'I could not give a monkeys what happens that's why I voted to leave after all'

Look at Trump- As much as people are calling him, there must have been a lot more out there who agreed with his ideals as otherwise he would not be in the hot seat would he not?

Never have I seen a sore bunch as those who voted to stay and don't like it because they have lost.
It's no good keep playing that old retoric of how people have been mis-informed either before they voted out- I think everyone who voted out fully knew what they were doing and the consequences.
The anti Brexit mob need to just get over it, because as with a manoeuvre such as this there is going to be no doubt the odd casualties.

Aha, so redpoll is telling us that all 52% who voted out are a bunch of xenophobes who want all the foreigners out.

And wtf does this mean
"The anti Brexit mob need to just get over it, because as with a manoeuvre such as this there is going to be no doubt the odd casualties."?? Are you saying that people are going to get kicked out of the country, that's OK, they are just "casualties" suck it up get over it?

Sorry, you don't have 52% of the population behind you on this, unless all those leave voters who have repeatedly stated that they are not xenophobic, they don't want all EU citizens to leave, etc, etc are lying.

You make no sense.

Casualties? Do you mean people

I have no idea where the bottom line of that came from.

because as with a manoeuvre such as this there is going to be no doubt the odd casualties.

Jesus wept. I could cry for what my country has become.

I keep thinking this is all just a nightmare I'll wake up from.

I used to feel so in awe of Britain standing up to fascism in WW2, my grandparents telling me how fair the British were in the British-occupied German zone after the war, the "vibe"
of the UK in the nineties when I moved here...
What on earth is happening????

I used to feel so in awe of Britain standing up to fascism in WW2, my grandparents telling me how fair the British were in the British-occupied German zone after the war, the "vibe" of the UK in the nineties when I moved here...

You're German I believe Dorothy? (Let's get that straight before anyone starts whinging about Godwin's law).

Yes I'm German. No idea what Godwin's law is! What have I said to possibly provoke that response?

I think Misti was sticking up for you Dorothy.

Yes sorry Dorothy! Totally in agreement with (all your) post(s).

My comment was about how comparisons with Nazi Germany are usually rubbished by leavers but (a) your family history makes you well placed to comment on this and (b) comments like redpoll's above positively invite parallels with nazism.