New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

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Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

We might as well have put rosettes on a flock of sheep and installed them in the House of Commons
Thank you Peregrina, that made me laugh!

Anyone able to defend why its ok to call me a "basement dweller" just because I am worried about the rights of a million Brits living in the EU?

Or should I report the troll?

''Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan police commissioner, told a hearing at London’s City Hall that hate crime was showing signs of decreasing after a sharp rise in June and July, but it had still not returned to pre-referendum levels''

'Hate crime is a stat that records all reported hate crime as hate crime, its actually irrelevant whether or not it actually was a hate crime. So its very possible that Bernard is very accurately reporting the consequences of a Brexit vote in the same way the chancellor reported the need for a punishment budget.'

Presumably Sir Bernard HH has analysed the figures and has compared them with what he is told from police on the ground, don't you think? And he thinks hate crimes are massively underreported, so there's no chance it's imaginary, 'anon' .
I am on the receiving end of it and can tell you it's real. I won't let anyone say it's not happening when it is.

'A “horrible spike” in hate crime after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union was at least partly linked to the referendum, Britain’s most senior police officer has said.
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan police commissioner, told a hearing at London’s City Hall that hate crime was showing signs of decreasing after a sharp rise in June and July, but it had still not returned to pre-referendum levels.
Monitoring presented at the hearing by the London mayor’s evidence and insight team showed a 16% increase in hate crime in the 12 months to August. It also showed that in the 38 days after the referendum there were more than 2,300 recorded race-hate offences in London, compared with 1,400 in the 38 days before the vote.
Hogan-Howe expressed alarm about the figures. “We saw this horrible spike after Brexit,” he said. He revealed there was a connection between the referendum and many of the incidents and pointed out that many of the victims were eastern Europeans.
Hogan-Howe said: “We couldn’t say it was absolutely down to Brexit, although there was obviously a spike after it. Some of them were attributed to it because of what was said at the time. We could attribute that, and eastern Europeans were particularly targeted within the race-hate crime [category]. So there certainly was a spike related to it.
“We have fortunately seen it start to come back down, but I’m not sure we can say yet it is back to previous levels.”

He added: “The absolute numbers are low, but we think it is massively under-reported [crime]. Sadly, people don’t tell us about the harassment and the abuse that we know will go on out there.”
Hogan-Howe pledged that more specialist officers dedicated to tackling hate crime would be deployed.
Sophie Linden, London’s deputy mayor for policing, who was hosting the hearing, said she was still getting daily reports about hate crime in the capital. “It is worrying that it does not appear to have gone back down to pre-referendum levels.”
The vast majority of incidents involved citizens from eastern European countries, with more attacks against Poles than against all the other nationalities put together.

Because the million Brits aren't more worried than yesterday, you are sweary, and your username is 4-chan-inspired?

Reciprocal arrangement regarding EU/UK citizens fine - the Lords announcing that EU citizens living here are to take priority over British citizens living abroad is not likely to help with regard to Sir Bernard's report - just adding fuel to the fire.

just adding fuel to the fire.
Sounds like a threat! That wouldn't have popped into my head, but I suppose that very dim people might see it that way. It's unfortunate, but not a reason to back away from doing the right thing.

Or are we supposed to appease bullies?

Wow okayyyy then!!

I don't suppose that would have popped into your head. You obviously havent been reading any reactions across the media. Plenty of dim people around.

Anyone able to defend why its ok to call me a "basement dweller" just because I am worried about the rights of a million Brits living in the EU?

You don't care about Britons in the EU, as your posts make abundantly clear. Basement = as low as you can go.

the Lords announcing that EU citizens living here are to take priority over British citizens living abroad

They announced no such thing.

Now, why do you think that brexiters are up in arms about this, but UK citizens in the EU are not?

UK citizens in the EU know that an orderly, cooperative, grown-up approach to negotiations is in their best interests, and every single one that I have encountered thinks that last night's vote was broadly good news for them.

My conclusion is that leavers are opposed mainly because they don't want EU citizens rights to be upheld. They would actively prefer hate crimes and mass deportations.

Don't dress it up in sham concern for people like me, a UK citizen in France, whose interests you most certainly do not represent.

Don't dress it up in sham concern for people like me, a UK citizen in France, whose interests you most certainly do not represent.

This x 1000! Said similar on one of the other threads. Reading the head tilting, faux concern posts re the fate of the British in the EU and the expressions of dismay re the treatment of the poorer, southern EU countries by the Big Bad EU given as a reason for voting leave are guaranteed to set my teeth on edge. Agenda pushing framed as concern in most cases when these opinions are read in the context of other posts made by same posters. Well don't use people like me to push that agenda thanks very much. And yes I am also delighted with the Lords vote as a Brit living in an EU country. Not expecting it to stop Brexit but do appreciate the fact that it has at least put people like me on the agenda.

Ok let's imagine some EU countries do start deporting Brits living there, what to we do then? Start mass deportations of our own? I don't want that, it's not their fault why should they suffer? And don't try to dress this up as not caring about British people abroad, it's just that two wrongs don't make a right.

The only reason we are even having to worry about this is because Leave voters (who are now known as 'the people') voted for it, they were told what would happen so I can only assume they wanted this. As I said earlier, pop over to the Leavers threads, they're delighted with how it's all going, actually, less delighted about the Lord's vote, they want EU citizens living here under uncertainty, it suits their agenda. I know my family are hoping for mass deportations.

My conclusion is that leavers are opposed mainly because they don't want EU citizens rights to be upheld. They would actively prefer hate crimes and mass deportations
I agree.

Norman Tebbit sparked anger in the House of Lords when he accused peers attempting to protect the rights of EU nationals of “thinking of nothing but the rights of foreigners

No 'up in arms' from me and certainly 'no sham concern' thought I was just stating the obvious and this should always have been reciprocal as I said in my earlier op

I am certainly not representing your rights but I would imagine you will be hoping that someone is going to. There was a much simpler way of doing that but it has been decided not to go down that route. Oh well, I won't get concerned if you don't want me to.

My conclusion that Leavers are opposed mainly because they don't want EU citizens rights to be upheld. They would actively prefer hate crimes and mass deportations

Another sweeping statement.

I would imagine that since significant numbers abroad are British pensioners, it will be more a question of them removing themselves as they find that their money no longer stretches as far. This could happen especially if the automatic uprating of the State Pension ceases. This is perfectly likely to happen - State Pensions do not get automatically uprated in Canada (and I think Australia?). They are frozen at the time you left, or first claimed. So if you first claimed when the pension was £20 pw that is all you will get.

People working in other countries will probably be OK - if their employer values them, which will be likely for the more highly skilled then they will probably be able to sponsor them to stay.

As for Tebbit - thinking about Tebbit, first and Tory party second, IMO.

I am certainly not representing your rights

Good.

but I would imagine you will be hoping that someone is going to.

Yup. The Lords who voted for this amendment. People like Ken Clarke, John Major and (yes, I said it) Tony Blair. Gina Miller and Jo Maughham and all those bringing Brexit-related court cases. The Liberal Democrats and the Greens who are the only opposition to hard brexit.

Not you and your ilk, who don't give a toss for people like me. I don't care that you don't give a toss (your conscience, your affair) but it makes me fucking furious that you claim to represent my interests. The interests of immigrants cannot be represented by people who are anti-immigration. It's that simple.

If brexiters are against the Lords amendment then it is certain sure that the amendment is good for immigrants, of any nationality, and bad for brexiters.

So the peers had an 102 majority, out of about 760 entitle to take part in a vote. Why is that not considered a mandate to listen to what they say?

Peregrina there are three important things that will impact on us pensioners in the EU. The first is pension increases, the second health cover via the S1 arrangements and the third is the exchange rate. The first two could be guaranteed by the UK government post Brexit, the third cannot. We lost 13% of our expected income last year because of uncertainty in the markets after the vote. For this year we have based our spreadsheet planning on £1.10.
In 2008 the exchange rate was (briefly) at parity. A lot of people went back to the UK that year.
We will fight tooth and nail to be able to stay here in our home in France, but recognise that our income will be reduced. Many people will not be able to survive that reduction.

As I said earlier, pop over to the Leavers threads, they're delighted with how it's all going, actually, less delighted about the Lord's vote, they want EU citizens living here under uncertainty, it suits their agenda.

You keep mentioning these threads fakename - which threads are they?

I can't seem to find any 'Leavers threads' that are following this narrative.

Here are some useful links on the subject of freedom of movement -

eulawanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/eu-free-movement-law-in-10-questions.html

www.freemovement.org.uk/

Leavers threads' that are following this narrative.

Semi, to my knowledge not a single leaver has popped up on any thread I am following to say "actually, unilaterally guaranteeing EU citizens' rights is a good idea".

A leaver could quite easily make the case for this: it's in the interests of natural justice, it's in the interests of the economy and the NHS, and it would provide valuable goodwill going into negotiations. Moreover, accepting the amendment would allow May to keep to her self-imposed timetable whereas fighting it will delay the process you are all, allegedly, so keen to get started on.

However, without exception (if I'm wrong point me in the right direction) no leaver has made this argument. They have all come onto these threads spouting exactly the same talking point, ie that it disadvantages UK citizens in the EU. The problem here is that as far as I can tell, UK citizens in the EU overwhelmingly support this amendment for the reasons cited above.

In contrast, a coordinated battalion of anti-immigration campaigners, across all forms of social media, has spent the last 24 hours pushing the idea that the Lords were wrong and that it's really brexiters who have migrants' best interests at heart. Really!

Forgive me for finding this both hilariously lacking in any logic or decency, and exceedingly hard to believe.

Semi, to my knowledge not a single leaver has popped up on any thread I am following to say "actually, unilaterally guaranteeing EU citizens' rights is a good idea".

Well, I popped up on the new WM one saying just that, and I have also said that on the Brexit Arms one too.

However, on the one 'Leavers Thread' I am aware of (the Brexit Arms one), I cannot recall a single poster intimating anything such as:

"[I] want EU citizens living here under uncertainty, it suits [my] agenda"