New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

[Mistigri]

Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

I did not say they had no reason to be worried. Of course they do, but it would not go down very well if they deported such large swathes of the population and I think they know that.
I think the plan is something close to what I mentioned above (stoking up hysteria to move it higher on the agenda of European nations, then to concede in return for favourable position on other matters)

YY about the fact that there is no hysteria at all about Brexit in Europe.
I rarely see nothing at all about Brexit or french people in the uk and their future in the french press. Nor is there anything about the future of Brits in France either (that means NO threats to deport them which is showing those countries in a much better light to the world btw

slippery if the government knows it wouldn't go down well to deport thousands of people and doesn't actually think about doing it, don't you think that the EU on the other side will also know about it and it's all smoke?

People on these threads often don't have a clue how brexit is presented in the European press, because they don't even have enough French/ german /spanish to read a simple newspaper

Incorrect assumption

They might know, but they can not be sure... just as we can't

They don't need to threaten to deport them. They'll just go ahead and do it if they want to unless securities are sought by our government on leaving the EU.

It would only work if the uk government actually was ready to do it.
Which then means that it is.

It would be so easy for the government to then says 'I didn't want to but the evil EU who wasn't ready to negotiate enough'.

Casualties in the negociations and bargaining chips. That's what you do with them.
The issue is whether it's ethical at all.

Brits abroad will only be casualties too....

People on these threads often don't have a clue how brexit is presented in the European press, because they don't even have enough French/ german /spanish to read a simple newspaper

Correct assumption in my case, and my adult family members

uklibdems.eu/en/article/2017/1201396/beld-survey-results

I want to make sure that the concerns of these people are as well looked after as the concerns of eu citizens in the uk.

The house of lords decision could have damaged this.

Trouble everyone wants to have a say on how we leave when they voted to stay in. So therefore judgement will be biased towards as though we have never left.

If you voted to leave then your opinions are biased towards the goal of leaving are they not in what shape or form of what you like to see it in remains to be seen?

There will be very few who when they put their vote in the box will have thought of someone four doors up the street who may be affected by the outcome of leaving and that is the point I am trying to make.

Couple that with even the basis of those who may have clouded opinions of the reason and questions as such of immigration. Migrants from Eastern Europe come here to work- It is the question of Asylum which has confused the matter. Asylum/Immigration are two totally different things will never stop in the UK while it is a great place to live.

What I cant seem to understand is the posts from people on here who seem to think they are in limbo land when they have a property here, children and such like unless there is someway that they are not legit.

If you are not legit then you have to ask to ask yourselves why you are not and therefore at risk of not being classified a British citizen. As I said above I find it hard to believe if you have a mortgage,UK partner children etc then why are you not considered as such.

Same as all this harp about the NHS etc, the pressure on this department of the UK because of migrants will always be at crisis point no matter what the circumstances.

We should though issue a stronger line on the issue of free treatment though if you are not paying in though. That is one gravy train that has to stop. As my thought goes- if you don't pay then you cant play

My point is that it is better to use expats from the eu and expats from the uk as bargaining chips in order to get a good deal for both than it is to pander to the needs of one set over the needs of the other. It is the duty of the UK government to consider all British citizens, including those who reside un the eu.

+As I said above I find it hard to believe if you have a mortgage,UK partner children etc then why are you not considered as such.*

Why yes, it's almost as though nobody at all has posted about precisely these circumstances

What I cant seem to understand is the posts from people on here who seem to think they are in limbo land when they have a property here, children and such like unless there is someway that they are not legit.

Well, the thing is, I don't know. Permanent residency applications are taking up to six months to be processed. In the meantime, I keep hearing about many of them being rejected on petty details. Do I think mine should be approved? Well, yeah. I have five continuous years of work (actually I have 14 years of work, but with breaks and travel) and a British husband. But I'm also now a self-funded student tacked onto my husband's work provided health insurance. Will that be a problem? I don't know, and the stakes are high enough for me to be worried.

I would be worried too... probaby unnecessarily

'Why yes, it's almost as though nobody at all has posted about precisely these circumstances'

And you will have nothing to worry about as long as you have nothing hidden in the background which brings this into question before you had a house and family here.

The only thing which may be a problem is if there is an error in the detail from the beginning of your time in the UK,- ie If something comes out that the I is not dotted and the T crossed for example- Then it might be a problem.

I don't think it is as straight forward as that redpoll sadly

Red I love your optimism.
I hope you will forgive the people who do have the risk of being deported to be worried and be unsure that this will be actually the case.

Because, as slipery said we are bargaining chips, nothing else and nothing more.
That means i am expecting the uk governemtnto put their interests above mines. And to be thrown out if it suits them. And even if it's actually unethical.

I so so love to be as optimistic as you are....

Team same for me to you (and me)

You both seem to have very credible reasons why your applications should be granted to both of you.

How can anyone argue that the government will not contemplate ripping families apart when they are doing it already. It was Mays tenure at the Home Office that saw the automatic right of spouses to reside here removed in the first place.

If Mrs May is so popular, but has never won an election wonder why she doesn't call one how.

She's up against some very strong women in Scotland and NI now who have won popular votes.

And she has that dodgy election expenses thing to sort out. And to watch out for losing a couple of bits of the country.

Being racist might just be the easiest part of her job.

It does not suit the government to throw you out and it is not a viable plan. I am confident that hey will be trying to avoid it.

And you will have nothing to worry about as long as you have nothing hidden in the background which brings this into question before you had a house and family here.

This is utter bullshit.

Try telling this to the French academic, with two decades in the UK, a British wife, and a very senior private sector technology leadership job alongside his university work, whose application was one of the 28% of all EU PR applications turned down in recent months.

And the many others (whose stories can easily be found on-line) who have been sent "prepare to leave" despite decades of legal residence in the UK.

You're either talking through your arse or you have zero empathy, or both.

Redpoll You clearly have no insight into the way the Home Office has been implementing immigration policy in the last ten years. It has been guided by one imperative and that is to reduce immigration to the arbitrary and economically damaging target set by the government. Any slip up in the paperwork can lead to deportation. Humanity, common sense, economic benefit or the family lives of U.K. Citizens are not considerations. Even legality is not entirely respected given the illegal deportation of 48000 students who were here legally and in some cases attending extremely prestigious university courses. They took away University of London students from the International House Halls and put them in detention centres and deported them. Over the last ten years I have been involved in countless cases where Home Office policy was deeply inhumane and damaging to the family life of British citizens.

Please do not underestimate the depths of this dogma driven stubborn determination to deter and exclude those from overseas.

It is a major weakness in May's negotiating strategy with the EU too Making immigration her number one priority is going to make it much easier for the EU to capitalise on the economic opportunities that Brexit presents for other European countries. That weakness is one of the reasons the banks are so advanced with their contingency plans to move operations to other European countries, regardless of the Hard /soft Brexit signals they judge it certain that our service industries will be damaged in the negotiations. A UK that was leaving for reasons of sovereignty would be in a much stronger position to negotiate a good deal for our economy and for our citizens overseas and those EU nationals living here but the stubborn obsession with immigration is going to be extremely damaging.

"This is utter bullshit."

I agree

You both seem to have very credible reasons why your applications should be granted flowers to both of you.

Agreed.

If you were here and not working and from the EU plus claiming benefits then you are no longer an economic migrant so therefore your right to remain would be in question.

You have to to see if from both sides of the Leave/Don't leave stance really.