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Fantastic trade deal with the USA

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HPFA · 21/01/2017 12:58

This is Donald Trump:

“Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families,”

Fantastic that we will soon be signing a new trade deal with the USA which clearly is going to work to our mutual benefit.

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Kaija · 21/01/2017 16:43

Sorry - that was to DebbieDowner

Want2bSupermum · 21/01/2017 16:52

peregrina I forgot Lotus, TVR and Bristol are UK based and 'lower' budget compared to the super high end cars. All of those makes have cars that would sell very well here compared to Mercedes, BMW, Porsche and Audi if the imported cars from those EU brands had a 30% import tax on them.

Want2bSupermum · 21/01/2017 16:55

I would also switch Gove out for Farage. Trump was clear that he likes Farage. Why not let the two of them hash something out. Gove is an annoying little shit and exactly what Trump opposes. Farage is more in line with what Trump is about.

I don't like either Trump or Farage but if the UK are interested in securing the best deal possible they need to use every angle possible.

Kaija · 21/01/2017 16:58

You think Trump is going to drop his clearly stated and repeated protectionist stance because of Nigel Farage? This is a whole new level of Brexit delusion.

Brokenbiscuit · 21/01/2017 17:06

I wouldn't trust Nigel Farage to clean my toilet, let alone make deals on behalf of the country!

Corcory · 21/01/2017 17:24

Although a leave voter I am far from a lover of Trump. I abhor the man. I really feel we need to be very astute when dealing with him in any trade deal. I would not want to give anything away that harms our NHS or our high standards of animal welfare. We are all supposed to have the same standard of animal welfare throughout the EU but it is well known that quite a few countries on the continent tend to 'ignore' the rules on many thing. That is how we often end up with the short straw. We tend to abide by the rules it is in our national psyche. I also don't see why having a trade deal with another country would mean we would have to down grade out welfare conditions. We tend to trade with the US on a quality make ideal so as has been previously said top end cars, whisky, top end clothing, that sort of thing.

Gove and or Farage will have nothing to do with it. Gove interviewed Trump as a columnist for the Times not a member of the government. So will have nothing to do with trade deals.

TuckersBadLuck · 21/01/2017 17:52

Cars exported to the US are generally high end (Rolls, bentley, Morgan and aston Martins)

You're sure of that are you? Bentley and RR's total worldwide sales are around £1.75bn with less than 30% of that going to the US. The other manufacturers you list are tiny by comparison.

The UK's total car exports to the US were around $5.3bn in 2014 though, and growing.

JLR and Mini on their own export around 145,000 cars annually from the UK to the US. Those are mainstream vehicles which compete directly with the products of US manufacturers.

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 21/01/2017 18:00

I wouldn't trust Nigel Farage to clean my toilet, let alone make deals on behalf of the country!

What do you think Of Farage's suggestion that Mulloch is EU Ambassador? Good/bad choice?

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 21/01/2017 18:01

Peregrina what do you think of Mulloch, if he is appointed as EU Ambassador? Reassuring, bad?

JWIM · 21/01/2017 18:02

Also Mercedes and BMW have car plants in the US so presumably those vehicles, built by Americans in USA, would not be subject to import tariffs.

Kaija · 21/01/2017 18:04

"Although a leave voter I am far from a lover of Trump. I abhor the man. I really feel we need to be very astute when dealing with him in any trade deal. I would not want to give anything away that harms our NHS or our high standards of animal welfare."

How do you think we can avoid these outcomes? What leverage do you think we have now?

Mistigri · 21/01/2017 18:46

As a negotiator, there is no better position to be in than cutting a deal with a much smaller and less powerful counterparty who is desperate for a deal to be done quickly. If the other party can't afford to walk away, you get to dictate all the terms.

I'm confident that if brexit happens, then a deal with the US will be done before the next election, because May can't afford for the tories to go into a general election empty handed. But it won't be a good deal, because she has no leverage whatsoever.

Peregrina · 21/01/2017 18:54

I can't see Farage wanting to negotiate with anyone - he doesn't seem capable of doing a proper day's work. This is judging by the way he has represented my interest as one of my MEPs. Yes, I did vote in the EU elections, and no, I didn't vote for someone that I regard as scum.

Malloch does at least seem to know Europe, but other than that I don't know much about him. He seems better qualified for his post than many other of Trump's appointees are for theirs.

BMW cars made in the US aren't going to protect the BMW works in Oxford.

Peregrina · 21/01/2017 18:59

Presumably there is nothing stopping us now from selling more high end cars to the US, so why haven't we done?

I can see it being extremely difficult for May to cut a deal for 2020, simply because negotiating A50 things will be too difficult and time consuming, so I think she is likely to go into an election empty handed anyway. With luck and a rabid right wing press, she may be able to spin it as everyone else's fault but hers.

Trying2bgd · 21/01/2017 19:15

This talk about a US trade deal always make me laugh - what exactly will the USA buy from us that they don't already buy from us? The whole reason we originally went into the common market all those decades ago was because our largest trade was done with other European countries, this is still the case today and will still be the case tomorrow. One of our most booming sectors is financial services and its the same for them, are they going to divert business from New York to benefit London, we wouldn't so why would they? There is no special relationship, there never has been beyond the fact we share the same language and watch the same American movies!

Peregrina · 21/01/2017 19:25

There is no special relationship, there never has been beyond the fact we share the same language and watch the same American movies!
Or only that we shore them up in whichever war they decide to go into next.

With Trump potentially siding with Russia, this will give May and the Tories a dilemma - everything EU bad, anything American good, but we can't divorce ourselves from our geography.

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 21/01/2017 19:30

Malloch does at least seem to know Europe

Arf what an understatement Confused

Peregrina · 21/01/2017 19:35

I don't know much about Malloch, so I feel it's the only comment I am qualified to make about him.

megletthesecond · 21/01/2017 19:45

We'll be back of the queue with Trump.

Give was an embarrassing sucker during that meeting. He came across as desperate to impress the orange one. So cringy.

Corcory · 21/01/2017 21:12

I think the only things we have in our favour is that Trump would enjoy giving us a deal just to piss off the EU, that's what he's like. I also agree with someone up thread who said there were things like stem cell research that they would like. I'm sure are Pharmaceuticals industry would be a benefit to them.

Peregrina · 21/01/2017 21:17

Trump plans to put America First.

Comments please from the Trump apologists on the thread as to how this is putting his citizens first. (You may need to enlarge the image to see where the garment is made.)

Fantastic trade deal with the USA
Corcory · 21/01/2017 21:18

I would also say that although we are a 'small country' we are still the 5th/6th largest trading nation. So I think the new administration would be keen to get a deal with us as they might see us as a good potential user of all these things they are going to be making in the US! We are certainly a lot simpler to deal with than trying to negotiate a deal with the whole of the EU.

Peregrina · 21/01/2017 21:22

I believe we are now the 7th, having first been overtaken by France and then, much to their delight, by India. Nothing like sticking it to their old imperial masters, hey?

Kaija · 21/01/2017 22:22

"I think the only things we have in our favour is that Trump would enjoy giving us a deal just to piss off the EU, that's what he's like. "

I'm afraid that is one of the tiniest straws I have ever seen clutched.

Want2bSupermum · 21/01/2017 22:33

Also you guys are all forgetting that Trump was clear that he wanted to give better deals to countries that are allies of the Us. All we have to do is mention Iraq and Afghanistan....

The fact that Trump replaced MLKs bust with Winston Churchill in the Oval Office on his first day is significant. It demonstrates a recognition of the U.K. I have said it on here before that the silver lining to Trump winning the election will be a far better trade deal than what we could have neigotiated with Clinton.

Also, BMW and Mercedes both assemble quite a few of their cars in Mexico these days. VW assembles some in Brazil and Mexico and both Mercedes and BMW have been looking to move more production down to Mexico.

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