Fantastic trade deal with the USA

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This is Donald Trump:

“Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families,”

Fantastic that we will soon be signing a new trade deal with the USA which clearly is going to work to our mutual benefit.

America First?
Gove "Will we be at the front of the queue?" "You're doing great". How about "Yes"?

How do car manufacturers making cars in Mexico help British Car Manufacturers, the big mass market ones all being foreign owned?

But hey, he put Churchill's bust back in the Oval Office. That is sure to secure a trade deal!

Also, BMW and Mercedes both assemble quite a few of their cars in Mexico these days. VW assembles some in Brazil and Mexico and both Mercedes and BMW have been looking to move more production down to Mexico.

What on earth has that got to do with a trade deal between the US and UK?

It does demonstrate the point of trade deals though I suppose. BMW and Ford have both been talking about expanding their operations in Mexico, taking advantage of NAFTA (the free trade deal between Mexico and the USA). Trump however has now announced that he's ripping up NAFTA and there's going to be a future 35% tariff on imported cars.

This is where we came in, the UK's largest export to the US is cars and there's about to be a 35% tariff slapped on them to replace the current 10% tariff unless we can get a better trade deal from them than their closest neighbours can.

Trump is a lot more pro-British than Clinton ever was peregrina. Him putting the bust of Churchill back in the oval office was significant of his stance towards the UK being a lot more favourable than Obama's.

Tucker My comment about Mercedes and BMW was in reply to JWIM who incorrectly stated that both manufacture in the US. They don't only manufacture in the US. Most of their parts from from outside of the US and they have been moving production down to Mexico for some time.

Anyway, there is a lot in it for America to have a good trade deal with the UK. The manchester New York flight is full of business people who are managing manufacturing subsidiaries in the UK for the UK market (so much so that I often struggle to get on the flight). As an auditor I have had a surprising number of privately held clients who have operations in the UK and they employ quite a few people at rates above minimum wage. That isn't a bad prospect for the UK.

Anyway, there is a lot in it for America to have a good trade deal with the UK. The manchester New York flight is full of business people who are managing manufacturing subsidiaries in the UK for the UK market (so much so that I often struggle to get on the flight).

Riiiight, UK subsidiaries of US companies who are manufacturing goods in the UK for the UK market...

Now consider why a US company is manufacturing goods in the UK for the UK market, rather than manufacturing them in the US. And then consider what will happen if there's a successful UK/US trade deal and the barriers preventing the import of those goods direct from the US are lowered. That's right, no need to manufacture in the UK any more.

We know there's a 'lot in it' for the US to have a good trade deal with the UK, they get to sell their crap over here without barriers and they get to take over our service sector. We don't care about what's in it for them though, we care about what's in it for the UK. A deal which is great for them is unlikely to be quite as great for us.

Now consider why a US company is manufacturing goods in the UK for the UK market, rather than manufacturing them in the US. And then consider what will happen if there's a successful UK/US trade deal and the barriers preventing the import of those goods direct from the US are lowered. That's right, no need to manufacture in the UK any more.

Especially as the goods manufactured in the UK will no longer have preferential assess to the rest of the single market.

Actually a lot is manufactured for the U.K. Market, the Middle East and Africa from the companies I have audited. For Europe they have facilities in Poland and/or Germany.

Jobs for people is not a bad thing.

I think that was Tucker's point.

'Him putting the bust of Churchill back in the oval office was significant of his stance towards the UK being a lot more favourable than Obama's.'

Oh yeah. His moving an ornament in the White House indicates SO much goodwill towards the UK.

Is that seriously what you're hinging all your hopes on?! Good grief.

More likely his Breitbart crew said 'get the bust of the white man back in here pronto'.

'I would also switch Gove out for Farage. Trump was clear that he likes Farage. Why not let the two of them hash something out.'

Let Trump and Farage 'hash something out'? I'd love to know what it is exactly in Farage's CV that makes you think he's qualified to 'hash out' a trade deal?

Trump deigns to stage a photo opp with British politician in front of his gold lift and you think that qualifies said B List politician to negotiate trade deals? Said British politician hasn't even managed to get himself elected to parliament (despite many attempts) so I'm not sure how convincing a salesman he is. And I'm not sure if you've ever watched any of Farage's performances in the European parliament but a shrewd negotiator he ain't.

US, Canada, UK, Australia and NZ would make an awesome trade group. Similar language, similar standard of living, together this would be a strong combination.

All the white countries Out2pasture?

Awesome!

But what are your thoughts on the fact that Australia and Canada have already made it clear that freedom of movement will be part of any trade deal. 'Fine' you'll say, but then I must draw your attention to the fact that India have also said the same...

You won't be so keen on that will you?

squoosh color is not an issue. i'm thinking trade partners.

I know lots of British people who would love to move to Canada and Australia but couldn't because they can't meet the criteria. Hopefully freedom of movement would help achieve that dream.

I know lots of British people who would love to move to Canada and Australia but couldn't because they can't meet the criteria. Hopefully freedom of movement would help achieve that dream.

So the people of Canada and Australia are supposed to be happy with having their country "flooded" with foreigners, their culture undermined, their public services overwhelmed etc etc and all the other crap we constantly hear from Brexiteers but it is intolerable that we in Britain should do the same for others???

I'm confused how does trade equal movement of people? Business trade is goods and services.

Trump is a lot more pro-British than Clinton ever was peregrina. Him putting the bust of Churchill back in the oval office was significant of his stance towards the UK being a lot more favourable than Obama's.

It will take more than a bust of Churchill to make a trade deal.That's nothing but PR. He makes much of his Scottishness, but ask the Scots who live near his (loss -making) Scottish Golf course how that translates into support for the local community.

I also know lots of people who would happily move to Canada or Australia. Goodbye NHS doctors, nurses and midwives - they are already going in droves, so loosing up the criteria for entry would only encourage more. Goodbye teachers.

Canada has a glut of teachers

OK so Canada has a glut of teachers. Let's see if they want to come and take jobs over here.

People who talk about the US, Canada, NZ and Australia favour them not only because they are white but because they speak English. How ridiculous to favour trade agreements with countries over the other side of the world rather than with your neighbouring bloc of wealthy countries simply because you share a mother tongue. Especially when most Europeans speak fantastic English. I wonder if this mindset is related to the trend for English people to be notoriously useless at learning other languages. Or an ingrained sense of these countries having been part of our Empire. I wonder how many generations it will take to get past our sense of entitlement due to our shameful colonial past.

There was a massive fuss about the prospect of TTIP in the media and amongst the general public, so I am very about all the excitement about a possible trade deal with the US now. Any concerns that there were with the lowering of regulations to be caused by TTIP will surely be much greater in a US-UK deal as we have so much less leverage than the EU.

This is all about leavers wanting to be able to say they Brexit is a success - look how quickly the US want to make a deal with us. I'm worried that the gutter press will just present this as a good thing without caring whether the deal actually benefits Britain.

It's very much about Empire. Yes, the argument is presented as 'they have similar laws, therefore it will be easier'. Yes, but as a legacy of colonialism, so do many countries with black and brown citizens, but we don't hear a clamour for trade with them. Apart from May's so far abortive attempt to get a deal with India, who want an easing of visa restrictions in return.

Trumps appeal for Americans was protecting American jobs and workers from those nasty foreigners. He wants more tariffs not less.

And people are pining their hopes on trump giving us a good deal? Deluded doesn't even begin to cover it.

And what is it you imagine we will trade with Canada and Australia that will replace the loss of our financial services industry?

Canadian teachers fab - Spanish doctors v bad.

Extraordinary isn't it.

Trump's so called enthusiasm for the British is down to his mental illness, narcissistic personality disorder. The man is mentally ill because his mother and father were also narcissists and his mother preferred to watch royal pomp and ceremony than give him any attention. The result was he became a bully and a narcissist himself to protect a fragile ego which is why he cannot cope with being criticised or crossed. Just as he was sworn in on his mother's bible, and professes to Scottishness, his need to be part of royal pomp and ceremony is the manifestation of a deep need for validation from his deceased mother. We are just the playground for him to exploit to meet that need, it won't play through to equality as trading partners, that will be a matter of exploitation too.

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The fact that Trump replaced MLKs bust with Winston Churchill in the Oval Office on his first day is significant. It demonstrates a recognition of the U.K.