The Brexit Arms. For all those who like a good drink, a good flounce, & a bit of trickery.

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Pull up a chair & relax......

I'm actually Angela Merkel.

I secretly hate the EU project, but obvs can't say that out loud as I'm the poster girl for the whole shabang.
My hope is that by Brexit going ahead we can all jump right off this shit show and get in with doing things ourselves again...

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Anyone trying to stop Brexit is an enemy of the people. The daily mail is spot on.
That's what you're now known as.
Not sure why you're complaining though - you lot swallow all the shit the guardian feeds you.

I long suspected you actually Mango, thanks for coming clean.

It scares the shit out of me that people are of the gung ho, lets jump off this cliff together mentality without paying any attention to the consequences.

Seriously, why do you think it's a good idea to wait until after we've triggered A50 to discuss the details of how it will actually happen?

Too many people seem to be happy with 'leave the EU' as the ultimate goal whilst having no idea what that actually means or how it will work.

They seem to just want the comfort of invoking A50 because that means we're really leaving regardless of the consequences.

Forgive me if I think that is outrageously stupid.

It scares the shit out of me that people are of the gung ho, lets jump off this cliff together mentality without paying any attention to the consequences.

As I asked, please could you furnish me with what you think of the potential consequences of subverting the use of royal prerogative.

These powers are used all the time as part of the governance of this country.

Me.

Anyone trying to stop Brexit is an enemy of the people. The daily mail is spot on.
That's what you're now known as.
Not sure why you're complaining though - you lot swallow all the shit the guardian feeds you.

Oh. Dear. Me.

Who are 'the people', surfer?
Serious question.

On a bit of a tangent, isn't it great that we live in a country whereby a citizen can take the govt to court.

Regardless of the outcome or the subject matter, I am heartened that our society & country is truly free and that we (as a people) are not afraid or cowed and have the right and mechanisms to speak out against, or to challenge the govt.

That's surely something to celebrate.

I agree, Mango.

I am doing the ironing etc while watching the Supreme Court - usually listen to BoE briefings. A rare treat for me. I am so old the Supreme Court didn't exist when I did my degree and I rarely have the time to ponder constitutional matters these days.

In one respect the case is purely about A50, but if they are not careful they mess with

• separation of powers between the legislature, government and judiciary
• devolution settlements
• sovereignty in relation to Treaty obligations - any possibility of appeal to ECJ could infringe here

These powers are used all the time as part of the governance of this country. as Mango so succinctly points out.

Yes I agree Mango, its the crux of what we are fighting for. Direct democracy.

sovereignty in relation to Treaty obligations - any possibility of appeal to ECJ could infringe here

^^

can you expand on that how.

Just checked my Twitter feed for the first time in ages and cheers me no end to realise I am now following PH at HM Treasury (instead of GO). He is with David Davis and reps of the financial services sector discussing challenges and opportunities of Brexit.

I am still procrastinating like a pro howabout, I have been 'doing the washing', but that mostly involves me sitting on my ass...

I am just building up the motivation to turn the laptop on and get down to doing what I'm supposed to be doing today!

Who are 'the people'
Serious question

Everyone who voted leave. They are the backbone of this country and proud to call themselves British. They believe in this country and are confident of our future.

Remainers are wimps who cling onto anything that waters down their Britishness.

Have you been hitting the cooking sherry again?

As I asked, please could you furnish me with what you think of the potential consequences of subverting the use of royal prerogative.These powers are used all the time as part of the governance of this country.

The answer to this question would depend on the reasons that the Supreme Court give (if they do) for saying that the prerogative is not available in this case. No-one is claiming that the royal prerogative as a source of powers has ceased to exist in all circumstances or that Parliament must be consulted whenever the prerogative is used. Instead the argument is that the prerogative to withdraw from the EU is no longer available so the only way that the government can have the power to trigger Art 50 is if statute authorises them to do so.

The arguments given for saying that there prerogative is not available here are specific to this particular power. Broadly they come down to two arguments. First, the argument that it will take away legally enforceable rights of individuals in UK law and that the prerogative cannot be used for doing so. Second the argument that the existing statutes in the area implicitly removed the prerogative.

So if the Supreme Court narrowly decide the issue by saying yes in this particular case we can point to this particular provision that implicitly removes the prerogative in the limited circumstances of withdrawing from the EU then it won't affect the rest of the prerogative (the idea that statute removes prerogative is well established). If they give a much broader reason then it is possible that there will be uncertainty generated on other prerogatives too.

As I asked, please could you furnish me with what you think of the potential consequences of subverting the use of royal prerogative.

mango I answered that at 13.20.

No one has yet answered my question about what Leavers think of us continuing to pay the EU for access to the Single Market though.

Remainers are wimps who cling onto anything that waters down their Britishness.

Beautifully balanced, well thought out argument, as ever, surfer

Who are 'the people'? Serious question

Everyone who voted leave. They are the backbone of this country and proud to call themselves British. They believe in this country and are confident of our future. Remainers are wimps who cling onto anything that waters down their Britishness.

Surfer, this is an absolutely pathetic response. Honestly. read it aloud to yourself slowly and ask yourself - critically - what you sound like.

No you didn't answer it Bear.
You deflected.
Prerogative is used all the time.
The people of the uk (who voted), voted to leave the EU.
This was their instruction to the govt.
The potential fallout has been explained by Gini (above).

Your 'answer' to my question:

In this instance prerogative is being, or attempted to be used to by-pass the sovereignty of parliament.

No. parliament was informed of the choice of the voters by way of a referendum.
There is no By-pass of sovereignty.

I see it only as a good thing that government cannot choose its own direction without the agreement of parliament on something that affects the whole country so much.

Govt is not 'choosing its own direction'.
It is following the direction of the voters in the referendum.

Words like 'democracy' and 'sovereignity' have been thrown around by Leavers all this year, now those things are actually in action but not going their way, it seems those terms are being forgotten- the irony is actually hilarious.

Apologies, it was copied from Gini's post - don't know where I got 'misti' from!

mango, I don't believe there will be a wider impact because I think they will quote a specific reason in order to avoid ambiguity but I'm no lawyer so we'll see.

Any chance of an answer on your thoughts on paying to stay in the EU now?