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Gloria tldr
Much too unintelligent to read the guardian, according to ypu

There is no noble fight for the constitution - who do you think you're kidding

You want to block it - under a mask of respectability

So you keep saying...

I thought of an added complication. If this ends up in a GE (and how could anyone call that undemocratic!) it will be all about Brexit, candidates will be campaigning on whether they will vote to trigger A50 or not.

If more Remain MPs are elected, well that's that, we're remaining i guess. But what about if more Leave MPs are elected, BUT overall, more votes were cast for candidates who stood for Remain, what then? They can't claim to be representing the will of the people by taking us out of the EU. What happens then, we leave anyway? Equally, the other way around, more Remain MPs elected but more votes cast from Leave candidates.

Staunch Leavers/Remainers, what do you think should happen in the above situation?

I'm a remainer. If I was an MP representing a Leave constituency, I would not vote to enact A50, I would not block it either though. I guess I'd stand down.

You don't want to block it?

And what is a representative democracy for?

I realise that WW, here's the short version:

the role of the MP as the representative of the people and not its delegate (as defined by Edmund Burke) which until now was regarded as the correct understanding of the role of the MP. Britain is a representative or parliamentary democracy, not one ruled by plebiscite which is more characteristic of authoritarian states, such as Hitler’s Third Reich.

We don't need MPs to vote. We represented ourselves. If we want to tick a box and have a vote, MPs should vote to leave. It's their moral duty as representatives of the people. Their personal views don't matter.

And what does he or she represent?

This whole referendum was a big mistake in my book, it's caused nothing but division, even within families, I'm no longer speaking to my mum over it. People have been attacked and died over this fucking thing. I wish it had never happened.

And before anyone comes on telling me I'm being ridiculous not speaking to my mum over this, try listening to all the racist bile she has been spouting about 'sending them all packing', including black and Asian people, except she doesn't call them Black and Asian, she calls the something else. I don't want my children listening to that.

An MP "owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion" Edmund Burke.

I quite understand the Burkian ideal: it functions beautifully when there has been no popular vote: which is most of the time. The only judgement MPs need to exercise now is the judgment that they have a moral duty to enact what the people have voted for. If a majority is good enough to elect them, it is good enough for this.

I haven't said they were biased - are you mistaking me for someone else? Not sure of your second point either - are you sure it's meant for me? Can you explain a bit more? Thanks

The people haven't a fucking clue what they've voted for, that's half the problem.

A rather ignorant woman pompously opining on the 'moral' duty of MPs to enact her particular will and evade parliamentary process, is amusing rather than convincing.

So anyone bored enough to work out how the mps might vote?

If we work on the assumption (and yes its a huge assumption) that the MP has to vote the way their constitutes did

And anyway.....surely the vote will be about how its done not IF

I may have missed the point

So anyone bored enough to work out how the mps might vote?

They'll vote yes.

Gloria where do you get off? Calling someone ignorant isn't an argument. It's an admission of defeat.

Sorry petronius

My fault for not making it clear

As i said in my earlier post brexit will happen

But not all mps will vote yes....i was just wondering how it would breakdown, would it be the same sort of percentages

It's simply an expression of experience of your posts WW.

Take 'ignorant' out if you prefer, the point stands.

ww, did your ballot paper ask a different question to everyone else's?

Mine just asked if I wanted to leave or remain in the EU?

Why do you have such an issue with the specifics of how the result is acted upon being debated?

I have to say one of the most scary things about this whole debacle , and it is a debacle whichever side of the argument you are on, is how little the general population understands about the mechanics and principles by which the country is governed.

I am sick of hearing what people believethe law is rather than what it is . I could say that I believe the law gives me the right to drive after drinking a bottle of wine but that does not mean that that is what the law says . The law actually says that it is illegal and until parliament changes the law that is what it says.

We seem to be descending into a mob mentality and it's pretty horrifying.

Right its too difficult for me

Out of 400 voting areas (no idea how that breaks down to constituanties)

224 voted 53% or higher to leave

56 voted between 52.9% to 48% so quite close

120 were 52% or higher to leave

So a bigger percentage to leave

Like i say though....i didnt think they were voting to say yes or no...just being asked how

Thanks baby

The people haven't a fucking clue what they've voted for, that's half the problem

The same can be said of some people on both sides, it means nothing, they still have a right to vote.