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Thank you for your post Red - you always manage to calm me down.

& I'm blaming DC because he was my PM.

Yes Mango - what I said a couple of days ago - Article 50 having to be voted on by HOC has absolutely nothing to do with debating Brexit. The 'debate' will be on the timing of enacting article 50 and the logistics of it. nothing else. I feel remainers have the false impression that this will give parliament the opportunity to ask what the government's Brexit negotiating strategy is but I don't think it does.

Then this was misleading, you maybe could argue that it was misleading and take him to court for that. Except the law on election leaflets and promises is you can effectively 'falsely advertise'. So you can't.
Exactly. Unfortunately the ASA has no jurisdiction in political campaigns. If they had, we almost certainly wouldn't have seen that bus.

< throws another log on the fire >

autumn I bought boots in the US - they had a stretcher (sp?) especially for those of us chunky of calf. A miracle of retail.

The US also has a written constitution that avoids some of the issues we are discussing.

Well as the French already know our position then I don't see why we shouldn't know.

I think that it will obviously get passed, but in exchange for getting parliamentary consent on the approach.

The way the executive went about it at first was, no vote, we will decide the approach, we will decide the time line etc etc.

Not democratic at all.

corcory, I think you and mango are completely wrong.

You are massively oversimplifying this.

You both think that parliament just needs to vote to say a50 will be invoked and it's that simple. It's not.

Corbyn has already said his party will be whipped to vote against this unless they get the reassurances they want.

Whether you like it or not this opportunity to thrash out the details of how we leave before we pull the trigger will not be missed by those sensible enough to need answers to those questions.

Vulpecula - I don't see how the government would allow amendments or concessions on a simple, single clause bill that I expect then to put before the HOC. It will simply ask - do you agree to the enacting of Article 50?

Bear - Corbyn has had to go back on that and has had to say that the labour party will vote to enact A50. No strings.

But in order to get the vote through they may have to agree to concessions, do you see?

Corbyn has also said: " he would seek to amend or influence the government's negotiating terms" .

So basically an agreement would probably be made that in order for article 50 to go ahead, that the executive would have to consult on the negotiating terms.

Where has he said that corcory?

Considering one of the judges founded a European law group I'd say they weren't exactly impartial do you realise just how ignorant you sound?
Of course! In the legal world, as in the academic, medical, and many other fields, there are European bodies, always funded by someone or a group of people (sorry to explain the obvious)... another attack on experts?

These aren't calves they're ankular. Sort of suede flats but nicer than they sound. I do have long boots but I'm short so they come up to my knees instead of that Diana rigg half way up the shin look. Which is only for people with long bones.

The fires been roaring here as our wood is two years old. We are all quite red in the face.

Rufus has been driven off , I'm pretty sad about that

Agree Corcory.
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Bear,* it really is that simple.
The court ruled nothing more than that parliament had to vote to agree to Brexit.
That's it.

The terms of how we would like Brexit to look were always going to thrashed out, debated in parliament - that was always the case.

It's actually going to be quite interesting to see how MPs from all sides approach this, especially the labour MPs from the northern constituencies - do they stick to JC's whip? Stick to their own Remain view, or represent the choice that their constituents made?

We'll see lots of snaking & twisting - and they won't be able to hide behind:
'But it was forced on us'
'We didn't want to Brexit, that nasty Theresa made us do it against our will' etc
because they themselves will have to publicly agree/disagree.

Very interesting times ahead.

I do agree it's interesting times mango

I think that, although the ultimate vote will be on a50, an awful lot of cans of worms will, quite rightly, be opened before we get to that.

If the answers are either not forthcoming or don't stand up to interrogation, a50 will be delayed until there is some semblance of a plan which holds water.

I don't see how the government would allow amendments or concessions on a simple, single clause bill that I expect then to put before the HOC.

I don't think the Government can stop MPs from tabling amendments to a particular bill, can they? Or are you thinking May will try and make it a whipped vote and use her majority to block any amendments?

To change the subject, can I ask the leave voters what the most important thing to get out of brexit is?

Mine is to have as little damage done to the economy as possible, far too many futures are at risk at the minute as it is, but if we manage to come through as unscathed as possible that would be fine.

I thought she could table a resolution only. Doesn't have to be a Bill.

I think the consensus is that if it goes to parliament that it would be a bill.

Vulpecula - They are always going to debate Brexit and have been doing for the last 4 months, they have committees looking at all kinds of aspects of it.
But there will be no amendments or concessions on the enacting of A50. The government will have a majority as labour is voting with TM on this.
Bear - He had to reiterate what he had said because there was a deal of confession as his Deputy TW had said the opposite. It was on the news. Corbyn has said he would seek to influence the gov's negotiating terms at another time, not during the A50 debate.

I think you're over simplifying, Cocory if there is a bill amendments can be tabled.

I know it's resolutely been ignored when I've asked before but I'll try again- can any Leaver explain what they foresee as the problem with the details of how actually we exit the EU being debated?

There is no problem with how we exit the EU being debated.
It was always going to be debated.