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Um, after all the bile thrown at other posters today I really don't think the leave camp can start casting aspersions about others attitudes towards them.

Although it does seem to be a repeated tactic.

Well I wasn't told it was advisory?
DC offered me a simple 'in/out' referendum & said the decision would be final.
I'll take this to court myself if I have to.

WW - words have different meanings in different contexts - I don't want to patronise but you don't seem to get it.

In terms of political science you are confusing representative with delegate.

Anyway,
Who wants a drink?

Ha, do it. You won't get anywhere.

You may have thought DC offered you something, but nowhere does it say on the ballot that we would leave the EU and ignore constitutional process along the way.

In fact you leavers should be glad that it is being forced down this route because if the EU legal bods decide that Royal Prerogative wasn't within our constitutional process they would be able to veto our enacting article 50.

One this occasion they do not have to second guess: we have decided what we want and what is in our best interests.
As people keep pointing out, while a small majority of voters decided they wanted to leave, a sizeable number of the population were either exclued from the vote, voted to stay, or did not vote. MPs are not there to represent some of their constituents but are expected to act in the interests of all of them. Having said this, I think it probable that they will vote for A50 in the interests of their careers.

Bit of - no I don't and you don't have to regurgitate stuff you googled in the last hour honestly I can manage without

A sizeable majority and a lesser part of the population are the phrases I think you were looking for there

MPs now have the legal ability to do whatever they want. They have the moral and political authority only to rubber stamp the referendum result.

I want a drink oh my goodness
I went Christmas shopping today and bought some fantastic boots in office

For my sister, my daughter and me maybe my other sister

Then I ran my arm along the make up shelves and waterfalled it into my basket for stocking fillers

How was your day surfs

" They have the moral and political authority only to rubber stamp the referendum result."

Maybe so, but because the majority was so small they also have the moral and political authority to demand for consultation on the type of brexit that we have in order to fully represent the people of the country.

Otherwise we are being subjected to the tyranny of the majority.

Wow if I had googled I would have put the correct dates for the GEs I referred to in and I would have checked out the third date.

I knew the Political Science aspect of my degree would be useful sometime. I am happy to google, research is always interesting and useful, it just happens I didn't have to this time.

In fact you leavers should be glad that it is being forced down this route because if the EU legal bods decide that Royal Prerogative wasn't within our constitutional process they would be able to veto our enacting article 50.

'Us leavers' actually addressed that just after the ruling came out - 'we' acknowledged on either this thread or the previous one that we would rather it had happened now than in months/a year or more down the line.

A sizeable majority and a lesser part of the population are the phrases I think you were looking for there
No. I wrote exactly what I meant to say.

a sizeable number of the population were either exclued from the vote

Wozzers, who are they and how so?

"A sizeable majority"

Really????

twofingers Yep it makes sense to me.

Maybe so, but because the majority was so small they also have the moral and political authority to demand for consultation on the type of brexit that we have in order to fully represent the people of the country.

This was always going to happen anyway.

Stop conflating two separate issues.

The legal ruling had cock all to do with whether or not Brexit would be debated or not - it was solely to do with brexiting at all (i.e. triggering A50 must be approved by parliament).

Yeah it was good thank you WW
Did a bit of Christmas shopping in house of Fraser, almost finished!

DC offered me a simple 'in/out' referendum & said the decision would be final.
I'll take this to court myself if I have to.

Then this was misleading, you maybe could argue that it was misleading and take him to court for that. Except the law on election leaflets and promises is you can effectively 'falsely advertise'. So you can't.

This is why you can't take Vote Leave to court for offering £350 million on the side of a bus either.

In terms of making the referendum binding all it took was a simple clause which NO ONE - Remainers and Brexiteers alike - put in.

You can blame the law if you want, but judges can only implement law that politicians have created.

It is a failing of the politicians and not the judges is the referendum is legally binding.

What was to stop Boris Johnson or Michael Gove from putting in the relevant clause? Why is it only David Cameron's fault?

Not conflating different issues Mango sorry.

In any debate about triggering article 50, and there will have to be one, the fact that MPs want to have scrutiny and to be able to amend and influence the process of leaving will be part of that, it may in fact be a concession that the government agree to in order to get things going.

Mango the issue of misuse of executive power is long standing. Many people have been concerned that the legislature does not carry sufficient authority for decades.

This is the latest in a long line of test cases in relation to constitutional issues. Just because Brexit is the current cause celebre does not mean it is more important than the wider constitutional issues.

I am laying off the source for the moment thanks Surfer, perhaps a tea please.

I ventured into Homesense this week and came over all Christmassy. Almost done surfer - that's a feat. My pile is growing slowly but still quite a bit to do

Well its taken a right proper wintery turn outside, nice to be all cosy in here....

Jealous of your boots WW, I have always yearned for winter boots but my calf's are too fat, even at my slim est, 8 stone, they were too fat