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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 09:20

Remainers want a bright future. They want things to look rosy and positive. They are really looking for this.

But they can't find it. Nobody is showing them the way apart from harking back to some rose tinted yesteryear (which really wasn't that great for your average citizen anyway).

TheElementsSong · 30/08/2016 09:32

I agree we are in danger of talking ourselves into a decline but I think there are a lot of posters on here who would be happy to see us all in the gutter just so they could say "I told you so"

I'm sure you could C&P just a couple of examples of aforementioned Remainers expressing precisely such sentiments, yes? As there are apparently many such posts on this forum?

crossroads3 · 30/08/2016 09:36

We "will go down the pan" if we leave the EU and the politicians can't negotiate good trade deals. Whether or not I feel negative about leaving the EU has zero impact on that.

^ this

Bananagio · 30/08/2016 09:49

I really really want to be positive. I have no desire to talk Britain down. Apart from anything else I would be shooting myself in the foot as I work in a British market. As a freelancer just earning enough by the way- not as some "faceless"expat earning a packet as I think some on these boards seem to think anyone working and living in another EU state is doing. I may think the decision to leave is batshit crazy but I do accept it and as such want to know how it is going to work. If it works well I will be happy. I have no desire to see something go badly wrong just so I can say I was right all along because er you know I am not 9 years old. But the more I read from Leavers the more despairing I feel so please Leavers - if you want us to be positive then just show us how.

ToxicLadybird · 30/08/2016 10:26

I'm another one who had the overnight pay cut. I also haven't slept properly since the vote and have just been prescribed sleeping pills because I'm so ill with it. I'm terrified about the future, will I lose my home and right to live here? Access to health care? My daughter has just started at university, will she get to finish her education? I am disabled and we were just about to start a massive project to make my home accessible, that's now on hold.

The worst part though is the complete absence of any sensitivity towards how I'm affected and feeling. All the 'suck it up's 'we need to pull together's and 'get over it's from those who voted leave, while gleefully patting each other on the back, aren't exactly helping either. Our lives have been turned upside down and it feels to me that nobody back home cares.

YelloDraw · 30/08/2016 10:33

We all now need to work together and make sure we thrive

PMSL

Tell me exactly what you are going to do differently, that you weren't doing before?? Go to work? Pay your taxes? Spend the same about of money in the same shops?

What exactly are you doing to make Britain a better place post brexit?

Bananagio · 30/08/2016 10:48

toxic I sympathize totally - I truly have been trying to move on and see the positives hence coming on here and elsewhere looking for these positives rather than posting but I have really had enough now. I am so angry and yes I am sorry but until someone shows me something that isn't blah blah rhetoric, positive thinking bullshit then I have come to the point where I question the intelligence and motives of a large number of leave voters! I am a Labour voter who remembers the Kinnock years so I am used to losing and moving on so it is fuck all to do with that. But when the Tories won I knew what I was getting. I didn't like it but I knew that the Tories would do what the Tories do re smaller state, tax and investment cuts etc. I would continue to disagree with my Tory friends but at no point was it an issue of such contention between us that I questioned their intelligence or motives. I accepted they just saw things differently to me regarding what was the path to the best outcome for the country and had voted for a different Plan to me. Key point being Plan.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 11:02

I voted remain but with a lot of scepticism regarding the EU and felt uneasy for a long time about the unelected heads of the organisation and the power they wielded over us. I voted remain for purely ' better the devil you know' reasons.
Now,I have accepted the result and the whinging reamin voters are getting on my nerves. They are willing the country to fail so they can thumb their noses and say 'I told you so!' Well, rest assured, if things do go wrong it will be the poorest who suffer most. The people who were most likely to vote for Brexit will get their comeuppance and you can all stand round and jeer.
Just as, when Jeremy Corbyn is re elected as Labour leader the MP s will just have to get on with it, so must all of us accept get on with exiting the EU.

Bearbehind · 30/08/2016 11:18

jonso there would be a lot more positivity if we had some idea of what 'getting on with it' actually entailed.

I've not seen anyone who is 'willing the country to fail' just people who'd prefer it if the direction we're heading was based on a little more than a wing and a prayer.

t4nut · 30/08/2016 11:22

Its not about willing it to fail. Were in a position where all we've said us were thinking of leaving and the social and economic effects have been drastic. Should we actually be stupid enough to jump off the cliff it will be catastrophic.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 11:27

Maybe I 'm being dim but what drastic social and economic effects have there been?

53rdAndBird · 30/08/2016 11:43

Nobody's willing it to fail, ffs. Pointing out that we need a plan and don't seem to have one is not whining.

Honestly it feels like we're about to set off on the Titanic, and anyone saying "how are we going to deal with the icebergs?" or "wait, do we have enough lifeboats?" is getting told off for being negative. "Oh, you think we need lifeboats, do you? Bloody moaners, just WANTING the ship to sink!"

Motheroffourdragons · 30/08/2016 11:44

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RortyCrankle · 30/08/2016 11:46

I love your Opening Post and agree with every word.

Simply ignore the doom 'n' gloomers - they will drag you down with their negativity although I have to admit that some of their posts are good for a laugh (unintentional, of course) Grin.

Jonso · 30/08/2016 11:51

The plan is to leave the European Union- that is what was voted for.

Motheroffourdragons · 30/08/2016 11:54

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TheElementsSong · 30/08/2016 11:56

whinging reamin voters are getting on my nerves. They are willing the country to fail so they can thumb their noses and say 'I told you so!'

Again, can you show some posts from Remainers willing the country to fail etc etc?

And even if Remainers had the astounding superpower of willing stuff to happen (and a more powerful will than the, as we are constantly reminded, all-important Leave majority), would somebody care to explain why they wouldn't just have bloody well willed for a different referendum result, or millions of pounds for themselves, or a unicorn for every voter?

Jonso · 30/08/2016 11:57

Negotiations with the elected EU leaders and then a triggering of Article 50?

53rdAndBird · 30/08/2016 11:57

That isn't a plan.

When we had the independence referendum here in Scotland, the government didn't just say "the plan is independence!", it produced a white paper on what independence would actually look like that was about 600 pages long. THAT was a plan. Whether it was a good or bad plan isn't the point - the point is that it was more detailed than a soundbite, because the detail actually matters.

GinIsIn · 30/08/2016 11:59

Jonso - and then what?! If, for example, you were to leave your husband, you wouldn't just blindly trot out the door one day, would you?! This is where the plan would come in, so what is it....?

53rdAndBird · 30/08/2016 11:59

Negotiations with the elected EU leaders and then a triggering of Article 50?

We can't negotiate before triggering Article 50. Article 50 marks the start of the negotiation practice.

See, this is why detail is actually important...

Bananagio · 30/08/2016 11:59

So cheer me up rorty.Hmm - tell me where to get some positive ideas from re what could be the way forward. That aren't shot down in flames by 3 Remain posters immediately after. Because the thing that scares me is all I have seen over the last 2 months is a variation on "it's great isn't it - now we can do X,Y,Z " from a leave poster to be followed by "actually you can't because of A, B,C" which is then (if acknowledged at all) answered with a variation of "you are all so negative you Remain types" but with no concrete rebuttal of A, B,C. And that is why I am feeling gloomy because I am genuinely searching for those rebuttals. I genuinely want to know. I want nothing more than to get on with my little life and see others able to do the same so actually contrary to what many Leave voters think and if it must happen then I want Brexit to succeed and to succeed with bells on as quickly as possible!

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Jonso · 30/08/2016 12:00

Oh, there are loads on here, Elements, have a look yourself, it won't take long
Psst you don't have to have a superpower to will something to happen- it's like wishing or really hoping

Anyway, fellow remain voters, glad to hear we are all rooting for a smooth brexit, nice to be proved wrong. Thank you all

GinIsIn · 30/08/2016 12:00

And as to negotiating - that would be lovely, but as we need them a lot more than they need us it's a somewhat one sided negotiation, so what is the contingency plan?

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