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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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IAmNotTheMessiah · 01/09/2016 16:19

Yeah, he'd already done it though, he didn't just waffle about how he was going to conquer the moon with his battalion of unicorns...

Bearbehind · 01/09/2016 16:20

surfer you are really embarrassing yourself now.

You are completely incapable of articulating what you hope Brexit will result in and have stated you want your PM to just sort it for you.

The best it seems you can is stand there singing Land of Hope and Glory.

Get a grip.

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/09/2016 16:23

"I don't know about anyone else, but I find that very reassuring*

Really?"

Err no. I was joking, as I didn't think anybody would actually take this stuff seriously.

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/09/2016 16:25

Julius Caesar came to a sticky end, however, collectively stabbed by a large group, none of whom wanted to take responsibility for actually sticking the knife in. Maybe that's what there is in store (even if just metaphorically speaking) for our three brexiteers. Here's hoping.

53rdAndBird · 01/09/2016 16:26

Well, at least we've got union flag emojis to see us through, eh? Of course we'll have to get those replaced with whatever the new flag is once Scotland leaves and Northern Ireland explodes, but I'm sure we can get Florence Nightingale and the Beatles to design one for us.

Nightofthetentacle · 01/09/2016 16:48

If I may suggest a centerpiece for that FUKD flag: 🦄

Helmetbymidnight · 01/09/2016 17:01

Sorry figment! I thought you were one of Surfers 'walking on air' people.

ScOffasDyke · 01/09/2016 17:49

I voted remain. I am desperately hoping that one of the legal challenges to Brexit succeeds.

At the very least, it must be debated by Parliament, with a parliamentary consensus on when (or even if) to trigger article 50. (This is a massive sovereignty issue, so parliamentary debate should be supported by both remainers and brexiteers).
MPs have a duty to do what is best for the country, and must have the backbone to stop this lunacy before any further damage is done to the UK.

Corcory · 01/09/2016 18:39

ScOff - So think about it? What the F... do you think might be the result if the government reneged on it's promise implement the will of the people and not go ahead with Brexit? Or that some legal challenge wins?
So you and a load of other remainers will breath a siege of relief but what on earth do you think the far right and other idiots would get up to? We've just have a Polish man beaten to death because he was speaking Polish on his phone for goodness sake!!!
All this wishing it's not going to happen - you're all away with the fairies.

Kaija · 01/09/2016 18:49

Corcory, almost certainly a less bad result than if the country suffers severe and prolonged economic damage. That's when people get really nasty.

Peregrina · 01/09/2016 18:51

You will be telling us next that the Polish man being beaten to death was all Remains fault. Absolutely nothing to do with the nasty racist xenophobia put out by the likes of Nigel Farage, who was you remember on the Leave side, if not allowed to be part of the official campaign.

tiggytape · 01/09/2016 18:57

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Corcory · 01/09/2016 19:17

I'm not saying anything is anybody's fault Peregrina. I'm simply suggesting that rescinding Brexit just isn't as simple as returning to the land of milk and honey and everything will be alright with the world. It wouldn't.
And then what about the political ramifications Tiggy suggests?

smallfox2002 · 01/09/2016 19:19

I think the EU win the day tbf, the Tories know this and they will have their day opening us up to the world with regulation cutting, tax cutting, and public service sell offs.

Great.

Good luck to all those who thought change would be for the better, or voted against the "establishment" (fucking funny when you see the new cabinet), your life will be worse, and that of your children,

But its what you wanted, so tell you what, I'm allowed to complain, you can shut up.

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/09/2016 19:21

The country is already utterly torn and will remain so for many years to come. That is the conservative legacy and it is outrageous that there is no viable opposition to stop them.

There is no acceptable way forward because the vote was won with the assistance of people who were voting negatively - on issues that had nothing to do with the EU.

Nobody can fix this, unfortunately. The best we can do is make sure our children have the right skills to enable them to secure good jobs outside the uk.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 01/09/2016 19:26

surfer

I am a remainer, i dont post often

I agree with many others, i dont believe this is going to end well

GloriaGaynor · 01/09/2016 19:48

The reason it must be voted on in Parliament, quite apart from the sovereignty issue so widely promoted, is that if it fucks up, which it surely shall, the entire responsibility will fall on the cabinet and Theresa May.

It's comparable to Blair forcing through the Iraq war. Except worse.

It would be better to fight it out now, before things have got too far than further down the track. Once the economic consequences kick in, things will get a lot more vicious. And a proportion of Leave voters will turn against the cause they voted for and say they were betrayed.

I don't think May would necessarily have to resign she can say she is obliged to respect Parliament and change course. Or she can resign and Hammond can take over. The Tories were voted in on Remain, so they would end up nearer their actual mandate than they are now. There's no chance for Labour at election so the Tories can do what they like.

tiggytape · 01/09/2016 20:36

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Peregrina · 01/09/2016 20:45

she was handed the Brexit baton by a hard Brexiteer who would possibly have beaten her in any leadership contest had it gone to the members and she promised to deliver Brexit.

I am not sure there was any baton handing over - Leasdom dropped the baton, tried to pretend that she hadn't, but it had been recorded, so she pretended to be magnanimous and withdraw. I suspect that there was some behind the scenes pressure put on her.

ToxicLadybird · 01/09/2016 20:49

It needs to go through Parliament because Parliament represents all the people, not just the leavers. All this 'will of the people' shit is doing my head in. The 48% who voted remain are also 'the people', those who didn't or couldn't vote are also 'the people'. The referendum wasn't a winner takes all elimination contest. This brand of democracy where 'the losers' have their voice taken away is no democracy at all.

smallfox2002 · 01/09/2016 21:03

Like I've said, democracy and sovereignty are only important when leavers say they are. Otherwise they can be dispensed with at their convenience.

tiggytape · 01/09/2016 21:12

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GloriaGaynor · 01/09/2016 21:21

The Tories were voted in on the understanding that the PM and chancellor were Remain, that Remain was the official policy of the Tory party at the time of the election. So there are a lot of pissed off Tories.

It's not ossible or advisable to pretend that nearly half the electorate did not vote against Brexit and that the majority of Parliament is not pro Remain.

I'm not suggesting that a full U-turn is performed. If Parliament voted against it, realistically I think we would probably end up with a compromise on a soft Brexit.

If hard Brexit doesn't go through the Tories are not gone because there is no-one to replace them. If Labour was strong it would be different. They have already survived the resignation of the PM, the sacking of the Chancellor and the indignified shenanigans of Johnson, Gove and Leadsom. Leadsom was never a serious contender, her 'baton' was more a banana.

The Tories are the party of Brexit whatever, as Brexit is entirely undefined, they can can define it how they like.

In the case of an election, with Corbyn leading Labour (as I'm sure he will be) I don't think Labour will fight specifically on Remain, I think it would be the same muddle as it was during the referendum campaign. It would be different if Owen Smith were leader.

We're in for years of political and economic self-destruction whatever happens. The harder the Brexit, the harder we fall. There is an opportunity to limit the damage.

MenMust · 01/09/2016 21:22

There have been many comments on here by remainers that are valid and deserve consideration. Brexit is likely to be a rocky road and challenging. We will get through it though. It is not armageddon and we arent going back to the dark ages. However, I have also seen many comments on here that are rude, insulting, aggressive, patronising and childish. Why do many on here have to resort to this just because others have differences of opinion and different ideas?!

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