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Westminstenders Continues. Boris is having a bad week. Corbyn resists. Its gonna be a long summer.

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RedToothBrush · 21/07/2016 16:34

THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD ELEVEN

The dust is beginning to settle and the storm has abated. At least for the moment. The summer is about to start, and so there may be a break in proceeding.

May has had quite a first week both here and abroad.

The ground has not stopped shaking from the political ripples abroad. Made PM on Weds, Nice on Thursday and a failed coup in Turkey on Friday. The political landscape has changed once again.

At home she first cleared out the Govians and called for loyalty. She channelled the ghost of Maggie at the despatch box. She started the process of trying to make friends with Scots, Germans and the French. She is apparently now Merkel's bestie. Sturgeon is already ousted from that position after just days.

Boris, meanwhile has been rinsed by everyone he speaks to because of what he's said in the past. He's also given up his chickfeed job. Oh the hardship.

Now he looking like he's starting to regret deciding to play with the grown up. He's been trying - and it would seem, largely failing - at sucking up to the Americans. There's still no apology, but he has admitted that he has a list that is so long that he's lost track of what he needs to apologise for. I bet he's wishing for his playmates, Dave and George to come back.

Otherwise life carries on as normal, well this alternate new version of normal, with parliament breaking for the summer today. Don't worry the Martian landing is scheduled for a week Tuesday.

UKIP's polling seems to have dropped back post referendum, and things have gone rather quiet. Wolfe, Etheridge, Duffy and Arnott are all standing (Who? When did that happen? Yeah quite. Without Farage they disappeared). They plan to reform and make an assault on seats in the Labour heartlands of the provisional NW, Midlands and NE at the next general election. Hustings in August, new leader announced Sept 15th. Looks of thinly and not so thinly veiled racism to look forward to there then. The Daily Mail best make sure it upgrades its servers in time.

The Labour contest grinds on like a war of attrition. Stalking horse Angela fell at the first fence as Owen Smith (that's the MP not the journalist everyone including the media!) wins the dream unity candidate ticket for an apparent hiding to nothing against the steely stubbornness of Corbyn. Everyone with a pulse is starting to loose the will to live with it all.

The Lib Dems, have a Spokesman for Remain. Old Cleggy's back! Otherwise they seem to have been trying to do a deluded impression of the opposition party. Though with 8 MPs they aren't doing much better or worse than Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet atm.

The Green are having a leadership battle too. It must be very civilised - I've heard not a word about it. Lucas tried to get a vote about PR though the Commons. It failed. Again.

There also is a cross party idea to set up a new iniative of a progressive movement to champion Europe, which seems to be gaining some traction. It may also double as a support group for anyone who thinks the world has gone a bit nuts lately at this rate.

The SNP are pissed off, as they vow differently on everything and once again they feel that Trident has been imposed on them. Sturgeon had a good meeting with May though, and apparently the Union must remain and Scotland holds the key to the future. Though we don't know the key to which door that is - Braveheart or Brave New World.

The Republic of Ireland is making noises about a referendum about Irish Unity, but beyond that nothing about NI has really been on the radar. May is supposed to go visiting soon.

And the Welsh? Baaaaa who cares about the welsh? They made the mistake of voting Leave as well as the English and now have been forgotten, consigned to political irrelevance forever.

Article 50 has been pushed back officially until the New Year, with a first legal hearing on how to activate it due no sooner than the 3rd week in October. Leaving the EU legally will now be no earlier than 2019.

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tiggytape · 25/07/2016 11:50

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Peregrina · 25/07/2016 12:35

They did try to address that issue though by widely publicising it before the referendum.

But I don't think that they tried too hard, until it was almost too late. I wrote to my MP about it, and got the usual Tory spin on it. The only thing I am glad about is that this has damaged Cameron's standing. It just goes to show, you should not do things for mixed motives, or it may come back to bite you.

Just as an aside - a few week's ago Cameron was goading Corbyn and telling him to Go and yet Corbyn is still there, and Cameron is playing with his phone on the back benches. I fully expect him to stand down at the next election.

nauticant · 25/07/2016 12:50

Yes, it has pleased me greatly for Cameron to be presented with the reality that his effortless superiority was all about being born to certain parents, the education he had, and the contacts coming from that and from his background. Natural inherent ability? No so much.

When it came to it he was just a chancer who was very lucky on a number of occasions until his luck ran out. Although of course with his background he doesn't really have to pay for that, we do.

thecatfromjapan · 25/07/2016 13:28

The Huffington Post article tallies with my experience in the run-up to the election. Lots of feedback of young people having jumped through hoops to get on the electoral register, only to turn up and discover they'd been lost somewhere between term-time address and home.
At least one had been assured all was fine, turned up with passport (as insurance) only to find wasn't registered at all.
There is also a huge problem with renters, particularly those in insecure rented accommodation. And that's a lot of people in London, for example, these days.

thecatfromjapan · 25/07/2016 13:28

I'm still angry, too.

howabout · 25/07/2016 13:40

Paddy Ashdown is an equally divisive character within the Lib / Dems surely? I half suspect this is his motive for seeking a power base outside the Party.

Agree with the comments about Cameron and voter registration.

I watched a sobering TV report recently on the disenfrachisement of women escaping domestic abuse. A slightly different issue but it put a different perspective on the amount of Westminster and EU time spent discussing the voting rights of those in prison.

Chalalala · 25/07/2016 13:49

I know very little about Paddy Ashdown, you're probably right

But he's only in this as the most prominent backer of the movement, while Momentum was built around and for Corbyn - it's not a "let's all get behind Paddy Ashdown" movement, it's a "let's promote liberal values and btw Paddy Ashdown is with us" movement (I think?)

drspouse · 25/07/2016 14:15

Paddy says he's going home to his garden and DGCs when this is up and running.

howabout · 25/07/2016 14:29

probably for the best drspouse but I'll believe it when I see it Grin

Cannot believe how much airtime fossils like him, Heseltine and Kinnock have been getting recently.

howabout · 25/07/2016 14:42

Coming back to my earlier points on how different housing policy is in Scotland from England a couple of snippets came my way over the weekend.

  1. Housing affordability is at its best in the UK in the wealthy commuter areas surrounding Glasgow. Average salary is around £37k and average houseprice is around £100k. 2.6 income multiple compared to the 12 for London (source The Times)

2)New figures show that Scotland’s housebuilding rate in 2015 was higher than in England, Wales or Northern Ireland. If the SNP Scottish Government had built homes at the same rate as England since 2007, 41,000 fewer homes would’ve been built. That’s the equivalent to a town the size of Paisley (Scotland's largest town). (source SNP website)

There were always different policy choices which the rest of the UK could have made. They are only being considered now because of Corbyn and Brexit imo.

Showmethewaytogohome · 25/07/2016 15:07

Howabout your 'fossils' are a similar generation to Corbyn. I also actually quite like Ken Clarke too. Hearing from a variety of sources can be constructive

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2016 15:31

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/youve-got-mail?utm_term=.jx6ybrXJV#.mv9xRVeq7
facepalm

Remain obviously were run by idiots.

press.labour.org.uk/post/147940939104/statement-from-iain-mcnicol-general-secretary-of
Idiots might get banned from voting by Labour

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamophobic-kelvin-mackenzie-ramps-up-8488276#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Idiot from the Sun now threatening to complain to Ofcom over C4 reporter wearing a hajib as its a 'breach of impartiality'.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/07/daily-mail-forced-to-apologise-to-human-rights-charity-jrct-for-calling-it-pro-terrorist/
Idiot newspaper forced to apologise to a human rights charity for calling it pro-terrorist

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/07/cabinet-audit-what-does-appointment-andrea-leadsom-environment-secretary-mean
Farmers think Leadsom is an idiot

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/jean-claude-juncker-admits-brexit-talks-cannot-begin-in-months-a/]]
Juncker admits he's an idiot that there is no deadline on triggering a50.

www.independent.co.uk/student/istudents/student-politics-labour-party-turmoil-tory-leadership-contest-eu-referendum-brexit-effect-on-a7154856.html
And students deny they are idiots like the Notting Hill Set and 'the grown ups' could learn a thing or two from them.

Yep, today is the National Day of the Idiot it would seem.
still angry

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howabout · 25/07/2016 15:38

Show it wasn't an ageist comment but rather a comment on their level of relevance to front line UK politics. JC is the Leader of the Opposition whereas I would need to google quite hard to check the current job titles of the 3 I mentioned. (according to wiki all 3 are in retirement. Kinnock was widely accused of hypocisy for accepting a seat in the Lords and Heseltine took 11 years to make his maiden speech after being appointed. Ashdown has had prominent roles in the international peacekeeping sphere but I assume they will have diverted most of his attention from domestic policy)

Ken Clarke usually annoys me but I did smile at his ability to laugh at himself for being caught on mic referring to "bloody difficult women".

Peregrina · 25/07/2016 16:22

IMO Ken Clarke knew he was still on air. It gave me a good laugh though, at a time when I didn't find much to laugh about. Full marks for TM for owning up to the statement and using it to her advantage, unlike Loathsome Leadsom, who quit at the first sign of any pressure.

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2016 16:37

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton · 18m18 minutes ago
Now confirmed: "Sarah Champion MP is re-joining Labour’s front bench as Shadow Home Office Minister".

So after resigning she's effectively unresigned.

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prettybird · 25/07/2016 16:37

Howabout mentions the difference in housing between Scotland and England. This is also evident in the different approaches to social housing: the Right to Buy comes to an end this month in Scotland, while there are increased discounts in a England.

Showmethewaytogohome · 25/07/2016 17:00

howabout I really didn't think it was Smile I have a a bit of an old man crush on Ken! (The shame)

howabout · 25/07/2016 17:07

I'll allow you that Showme although what anyone can see in a wearer of brown hush puppies flummoxes me. I am in the midst of the Scottish summer wearing my socks and sandals with pride.

Showmethewaytogohome · 25/07/2016 17:10

I know howI am in shame

In other news this is really not good...... suspect package outside JC's office I really want all the antagonism and intimidation to stop on all sides!

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/693024/Jeremy-Corbyn-police

Motheroffourdragons · 25/07/2016 17:23

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howabout · 25/07/2016 17:30

Mother the area in question was East Dumbartonshire as a whole. It includes the leafy suburbs of Bearsden, Milngavie, Lenzie and Bishopbriggs and is under a half our commute to central Glasgow. Average salaries for East Dumbartonshire are £37k.

You quote Newton Mearns which is indeed one of the priciest parts of Scotland. However also within East Renfrewshire (income multiple 3) you could stretch your budget considerably further by buying in Nitshill or Barrhead and numerous other surrounding villages.

Interestingly the "cheap" areas of the Highlands have some of the highest income multiples (about 6) because wages are so much lower than the Glasgow area.

Motheroffourdragons · 25/07/2016 17:46

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prettybird · 25/07/2016 17:52

I'll actually agree with howabout about there being a range of housing available in some of the commuter suburbs. There is a lot of new building going on in them, in places like East Kilbride, Kirkintilloch, Bishopbriggs....

....although I live in one of the "expensive" half villas in Pollokshields on the Southside Wink (I love where I live Smile)

Motheroffourdragons · 25/07/2016 17:56

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SwedishEdith · 25/07/2016 18:09

www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/HTMLDocs/dvc126/

East Dumbartonshire stats here