The Westministenders Hunger Games continues. Hunting for the Opposition.

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD EIGHT!

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Each of the parties seem to have a taken a very different style to their leadership contests.

The Tory party have been well documented as doing in the classic style of Hamlet. After the entire Conservative Party have spent two weeks stabbing each in the back and front, May steps forward to take the crown for herself.

But what about the others?

The UKIP leadership contest seems to be in comedy style of Peter Kay’s Phoenix Nights. In a strange turn of events, that no one predicted and seem quite absurd, they seem to be changing their rules so their new leader must have been a member for 5 years. The punchline is this rules just about everyone out, apart from Neil Hamilton and Steven Woolfe. As BigChocFrenzy points out, we are expecting Arron Banks to hand out the brown envelopes. We are just waiting for the poorly thought out, and badly booked racist band to turn up and make everyone cringe in horror and distract everyone from UKIP's candidates and their manifestos in the process.

Meanwhile Labour Party decide to do what they thought was Star Wars Panto. After spending a week going “She’s Standing”, “Oh No She’s Not” Angela Eagle is declared the Empire Strikes Back candidate by Diane Abbot. Well if she’s the rebel leader, then who is Darth Vader and the Emperor?

Unfortunately, you’d be forgiven for thinking the performance is starting to look more and more like a re-enactment of One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, by the minute:

A battle of wills between two forces locked together in a room with ultimately different and opposing self-interests. This is only resolved when the new leader to the dynamic who sought to upset the institution, and give the others their freedom, is lobotomised and subsequently killed in an act of mercy. His murderer manages to escape the prison to the cheers of those still stuck inside.

The Greens of course are a foreign language film, no one has heard of and no one is really that interested in watching.

The Lib Dems are merely sat in the audience. With Tim Farron heckling.

But where is Gandalf?

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At least some sanity has returned and we now have some leaders. May can now get stuck into the job of handing the nightmare that is Brexit whilst making herself at home at Number 10. Rumours are circulating that it’s been left a bit of a pigsty.

We will follow May, on her new adventures to foreign lands to persuade Merkel and Juncker to hand over a mythical unicorn to the UK. Meanwhile will we continue our own hunt for the opposition, whilst we all consult our dictionaries for the meaning of the word ‘Brexit’ in bafflement in the wake of ‘Brexit means Brexit’.

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Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2682358-The-Westministenders-Media-Baron-Hunger-Games-continues-Is-it-about-to-all-implode?pg=1 Previous thread 7

Margrethe - maybe. A lot is going to depend on what happens with the rebels, if they descend en masse to the LDs, it gives them a massive boost they'd probably struggle to get, even on a rejoin platform. But it will probably cause problems within the party because they've got candidates in most of those seats who'd be looking to unseat the Labour incumbent, so would probably be mightily pissed off at being replaced.

Probably their best bet is if the Labour rebels split off to create a new party, because they may struggle to get local campaigns going if their PLPs stay loyal to Corbyn, because as the Labour members on this thread have said, GE campaigns take a huge amount of grunt work by constituency members, and a new party won't have that framework. It is a lot to expect to be able to grow that in 4 years, and if the election is sooner, the chances go down.

Aargh, please excuse typos.

Jeremy Corbyn tacitly endorsed bullying and intimidation of Labour staff by voting against the proposal for a secret ballot on Wednesday night, an NEC member has said. As Jessica Elgot reports, Johanna Baxter, who is a trade union official and represents constituency parties on Labour’s National Executive Committee, said she generally avoided speaking to the press about Corbyn but called the NEC meeting “an utter disgrace to our movement”.
From BBC

Hammond Chancellor
Greyling Minister for Brexit

Now heavily doing the rounds.

Grayling doesn't strike me as being a particularly competent man. So I'm not sure if his being in charge of Brexit is a good or bad thing really!

Corbynites are tweeting about how the decision to stop CLP meetings during the leadership contest is "undemocratic" and should be challenged in the courts.

Maybe if Grayling is Minister for Brexit, they're hoping he will simply coordinate and all the others beneath him will be competent

And yet the Conservative mp on daily politics said many didn't have meetings in August anyway so it doesn't matter.

I have no knowledge either way

I wonder maybe if she puts grayling in charge it means she will be taking closer interest?

I suspect TM is going to be right on top of the Brexit stuff anyway. She's got a rep as a control freak, but honestly I think this is the one area where she cannot just let those in charge "get on with it" without some solid direction and supervision from her. it's too important.

I suspect TM would make Chris Grayling the Cabinet Minister for Brexit
He is a Brexiter who managed her campaign - very cunning move from her.

He said:
“I looked her in the eye, I got a promise from her that she really meant that Brexit meant Brexit"
< i.e. means anything you want >
She'll want to make a Brexiter responsible for finding out
There Are No Unicorns

When he finally crawls back with the bad news, he has to announce it to the world and get the egging.
TM can then say that although she'd promised EU immigration couldn't stay as it is, the Brexiter-in-chief couldn't deliver that.

She gets to keep that mess at arms length, while she concentrates on the One Nation stuff.

So a form of EEU probably (barring accidents)
Remainers plus the "sovereignty" Leavers would be well over 50%, especially if she manages to cut non-EU immigration.
Most Tories like their East European plumber, gardner, nanny, cleaner.
Exporters happy to retain access to the single market
City donors happy to retain "Financial Passporting"
Treasury happy to retain 10% GDP from the City, plus all those taxes.

The voters angriest at EU immigration are classes DE, i.e. mostly Labour.. So, fine by her if they go to UKIP.

Johanna Baxter clearly very upset and posting of her personal details online (am assuming address and personal phone) clearly intimidation alone without any explicit threats.

'When he finally crawls back with the bad news, he has to announce it to the world and get the egging. TM can then say that although she'd promised EU immigration couldn't stay as it is, the Brexiter-in-chief couldn't deliver that.

I like your line of thinking BigChoc!

FFS, this should NOT be happening! Why is it being tolerated?

I'd be interested to see what posters who are sympathetic to JC make of this.

The voters angriest at EU immigration are classes DE, i.e. mostly Labour.. So, fine by her if they go to UKIP.

Not 100% sure about that - at the last election the Tories were sh*t scared about losing out to UKIP. In the end, I think they decided that Power was more important and fell into line.

That was in response to thegirls post.

UKIP is the monster that they're all afraid of.

Yes, I'd say I'm wary of UKIP gaining power off the back of all this chaos.

Colin Murray explains his decision to leave TalkSport. Hats off to the man.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-contest-can-jeremy-corbyn-win-without-his-legion-of-3-supporters-a7134371.html
The £3 supporters.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-will-plunge-the-uk-into-a-recession-in-the-next-year-blackrock-says-a7134616.html
Brexit Recession in the next year

Just listened to the interview with Johanna Baxter. How can people still be supporting JC?????

He makes cheap statements on not supporting intimidation then buggers off to the next rally of the movement that is propagating this behaviour having issued threats of high court action against NEC members who would vote against him (personal action - not just against the NEC).

A kinder politics my arse

The irony of the Tories needing a functioning Labour party...

Many Tories really worked up about Brexit are the sovereignty / Magna Carta patriot tendency , e.g. Hannan.
Those who really dislike immigration are far more worried about EU immigration, which isn't part of EU free movements. So there are ways to reduce this.
Especially since voters in other EU countries like Germany are also worried about the social consequences of large-scale MENA immigration

I'm not saying TM wouldn't have significant problems with EEA, but she's toast if it's WTO - economic meltdown and massive pain for the 90%.
She only got the job because the others fled in horror, so no easy options.

oops, Tories far more worried about NON-EU immigration

Wow I've never liked Colin Murray but what an admirable thing to do. Rupert Murdoch really is the cancer in our media.

Horrified by that link about Labour and abuse of women in politics
"the frightening thing is it’s coming from our own side”.

Jo Cox & Neil Cotle write a Guardian article saying they regretted nominating JC:
"Jo got an absolutely shitstorm of responses and Neil got hardly any.”

Unbelievable. This is Labour now ?!?