remainers, do you have any concerns with immigration? genuine question

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I was wondering without labelling or being accused of xenophobic etc. If remainers have issues with the uncontrollable immigration.

I am a leaver but disgusted by the acts of some people with their hatred views,

Do you see immigration as 100% ok or do you think that there is an issue for reform to our immigration.

I'm asking a genuine question, not looking for statistics etc just your personal views

My family are mostly remain but do think that immigration needs more control,

Some ppl need to read the whole of this thread not just the bits that suit their needs.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2672547-fruit-pickers-eastern-europeans-why

Iniquity - I read last night that between 1995 and 2001 (I think, but it was late and I am needing to head off soon so haven't got time to double check- apologies if I've got the dates wrong) immigrants contributed a net of £4 billion to the British economy. As in they gave £4 billion more in taxes than they took out in welfare etc. I can't see therefore how we can claim not to have the money to find them. We aren't funding them, they are, in effect, funding us. Or to put it another way, if they hadn't been allowed here to work, yes, we wouldn't have them here but neither would we have the £4 billion they brought in. How this money is spent is up to the government.

sorry Helena - I'm not sure of the relevance?

We need both skilled and unskilled immigration, i don't see a problem with it all if people are coming here wanting to work then lets welcome them with open arms. in my local town there are loads of unfilled vacancies.

in the past lots of kiwis or aussies have done them but that all stopped when we put a hold on out of eu migration, now we have lots of eastern europeans, whose going to replace them, we have very little unemployment.

sadly our benefits are being wasted on too many fat, lazy brits who can't be arsed to work as their benefits are too high.

so two options allow plenty of immigration or stop all benefits except disability. we have an ageing population so the its just going to get a lot worse if we stop migration. all those old people voting out won't have anyone to wipe their arse or cook their tea in the care home (maybe poetic justice)

its the fruit picking thread which was mentioned upthread.

And birdsdestiny, I'm the same. The only immigrant parent in my DD's school is Dh. Yet I have spoken to two parents who quoted concerns about lack of schools places and stretch on the doctors as the reason they voted leave. There are issues with schools places, but it's not to do with immigration. I have no idea why, it's all new build, affordable accommodation - I suspect it is just catching up with years of non-building so people can finally leave home and start their own lives. But certainly we are not a racially or culturally diverse area.

lovelyupnorth Its divisive attitudes like yours that are part of the problem.

blaming immigrants for conversative austerity policies is completely non-sensical. they are easy scapegoats.

Calling this out yet again.

Nobody is 'blaming immigrants', that is a lazy & reductive sentence.

People are blaming immigration policy.

Helena - I have read the fruit picking but I know in my area there are no fruit picking farms. As in a lot of areas.

mango I just dont understand the point you are making?

Is it not the argument against immigration that we dont have the resources?

Please explain why our current immigration policy is a problem then?

I was a remain voter. I have no issue with immigration.
I think it is much harder than perceived to claim anything when you arrive here in the UK.
And I have challenged colleagues who have said they are voting out because of immigration. One told me she felt it was unfair because she wasn't able to get a council house as a single person and "they were taking our jobs". When I challenged her - she couldn't tell me 1 solid example of anyone British she knew not getting a job because an immigrant took it (in fact, she mostly had gotten any job she's applied for). It was her perception.
I'm likely to be biased - I benefited hugely from freedom of movement and have a wide range of nationalities in my friend circle, but I don't see that it is a problem. In my dd's school, there are about 20 different nationalities and I think that is only a positive to her education.
People come here to work hard, not because benefits give you huge sums of easy money IME.

The point I am making Bumble was clear:

I do not blame 'the immigrants', I blame immigration policy.

I don't blame the people, I blame the policy.

I don't hate the player, I hate the game.

I am literally no clearer. what is the problem with our immigration policy?

Who said I was blaming immigrants

The numbers have been way underestimated. Money does not filter through the system that quickly just because you have say an extra 1000 children in an area that need primary school places and their parents are paying tax doesn't mean there is straight away extra money regardless of cut backs

Bumble, I was super clear.

I even pasted the exact sentence I was responding to.
Here it is again:

blaming immigrants for conversative austerity policies is completely non-sensical. they are easy scapegoats.

Once again, for clarity:

Nobody is blaming 'the immigrants'.

People are blaming the immigration policy.

Two entirely different things.

To constantly say "blaming immigrants for...." is to continually perpetuate the xenophobic undertone.

Mango and Sea I thought you made very good points.
And yes Sea the remainers have ignored your questions and think the Outs should be ignored.
I work with someone from an Eastern European country, they came here pregnant, spent five years on full benefits, has and will spend the following 13 years working part time topped up with Tax Credits, doesn't pay Income Tax or National Insurance, has had free medical/dental care, free education for their child. A rough estimate I'd say would be over 100 thousand pound in benefits. I have many examples like this. I've said it before, most of the remainers do not live in these communities that a lot of the outs do.

you are blaming the immigration policy for what though?

I am genuinely trying to understand what is wrong with our current immigration policy in your view? what are the negative issues it causes?

Our current immigration policy makes long term planning impossible. We've no idea how many houses, schools etc will be needed.

Bumble, this article is on the 'Boston Effect'.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541

It is quite concise, but it explains how whilst immigration has been of net benefit to the country (and indeed to Boston), the disparity it creates between the rich & the poor in that area (& then extrapolated across the country) is vast.

And yes Sea the remainers have ignored your questions and think the Outs should be ignored.

typical goady silencing by remainers - ill go find some straw for your man.

Everyone has benefit bashing stories, she's working isn't she?, that we have crap employers paying crap wages is the problem but hey blame the victim.

Remainers keep saying overall they claim less than they pay in tax, so why aren't local services being improved in line with it.

Leavers are trying to treat symptoms remainers are attempting to solve the cause.

Can someone repost sea question?? I can't find it

I am a Remain voter. I have no problem with immigration. My colleagues come from many different countries. My grandmother was an immigrant - but that was over 100 years ago and she integrated well, so you would assume I am completely English if you met me.

I do agree with the infrastructure point. And I would feel strongly against anyone who came to the country purely to use the NHS and then left again. (If that really happens.) Otherwise, I genuinely believe that immigrants enrich our lives.

No problem with immigration whatsoever.

Massive problem with tax dodgers both individuals and coporates haemorrhaging money which should go to pay for public services. This is what I would hope Leavers would be angry about most.

Massive problem with racists and bigots who now appear to be in clover.

blame the victim. I wasn't blaming, I was stating fact.

ok thanks Mango.

so we need to address housing shortages and increase employee protection so people are paid a fair wage.

I thought the article was otherwise very positive? I cant see any reason we cannot address those issues within the EU. we all know we need more housing. I think it is important to note that much of our employment law - paid holiday, working hours etc - is EU law which we will loose if we leave.