EU announce full on superstate- EU army, EU taxes, EU criminal law, EU central bank,

[BritBrit]

Thankfully the UK has escaped! EU announce a full on EU superstate with nations being stripped of every power, nations won't be allowed to have their own armies, the EU will control tax, criminal law, have an EU central bank etc

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan%E2%80%99-causes-alarm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/unnoticed-by-brexiteers-the-idea-of-an-eu-super-state-is-quietly/

Ive managed to copy two are they more credible

Except I can't tell you how much rubbish I've read over years that was printed in the Torygraph.

When it comes to security and defence, the decision has to be unanimous. If one member state, even a tiny one like Luxembourg, says no, then it doesn't happen.

Remember the Lisbon Treaty? Eire said 'no' in a 2008 referendum. That wasn't acceptable to the EU so they had the vote again in 2009 so they could say 'yes'.
There is a lot of strong-arming and horse trading in politics.

We weren't allowed a vote. Just like we weren't allowed to vote on Maastricht.

Yes, because the fact that one country has left and caused issues for other countries who might well want to leave means the EU will do something that will really piss off people in these countries.

But it's in the Express.

Um, Grass, your second link, you read it before you posted it, right?

I'm only asing because it appears to support the idea that this is not going to happen.

The express is getting even worse than the Fail

Mother - yes I did read it have you read the others. Like I say google it.

When it comes to security and defence, the decision has to be unanimous. If one member state, even a tiny one like Luxembourg, says no, then it doesn't happen. Afraid not, Juncker wants to extend the EU competences
to Defence, and thus it will be under QMV not the veto.

There are plans already drawn up for the establishment of an EU military HQ, and indeed, an operational HQ is already in existence and in use.

Whilst I can't see a dedicated EU military existing because it will cost too much, and one of the two effective militaries within the EU will shortly be leaving the project, there is the political will there for it, Merkel has announced that Germany is to increase defence spending (won't be hard, given current levels) because the US can't be relied on, ergo, she doesn't think NATO can be relied on, and the EU should go it alone.

Why is the tabloid press still printing lies about the EU, now that it really doesn't matter anymore? The EU is no longer a useful scapegoat since EU stuff will shortly no longer apply to its readership.

I am baffled.

Scaremongering, OP

Because the tabloid press are worried that article 40 will not be invoked so they are trying to keep the anti EU paranoia levels at super high.
Yes Ireland did have another referendum after they voted no in 2008 that was after some concessions had been made. That example is a very good illustration of why referendums are a bad idea.

That makes sense, wolf, thanks.

Who's going to be their new scapegoat once the Brexit divorce is complete?

Don't worry they will find scapegoats, it worries me that it will probably be immigrants as Brexit will do nothing to change what the tabloid press think is an immigration problem.

Basically anyone and anything forrin is to blame for everything that has ever gone wrong with UK

I was worried about the same thing.

Thewolf - Basically anyone and anything forrin is to blame for everything that has ever gone wrong with UK

I think that the UK government is what's wrong with the U.K.

I think that the UK government is what's wrong with the U.K.

Agreed.
Wish the press would point that out a bit more, instead of inventing scare stories.

There's always someone trotting out this conspiracy theory, which has been bandied about at least since Tony Blair was PM. Since some of you demanded that we google, I did google, and found no credible sources (unless you consider the Express a credible publication...). For me this is just another example of the flimsy arguments and skimpy evidence that the Leavers have been forced to muster to justify their votes. Meanwhile the pound has plunged to a 31-year low. And that is a fact.

Pensive - I found it in the independent and the telegraph

I think they are credible , well as much as any press can be

The Telegraph's headline read;

Unnoticed by Brexiteers, the idea of an EU super-state is quietly dying

i.e

it is not fucking happening. Never was and never will.

Mother - Quote telegraph- But that super-state is increasingly insubstantial

Mother - . Never was and never will.

Yes it was on the cards and still is

You understand the meaning of insubstanstial don't you?

Substanstial = big/likely to happen
Insubstanstial = small/unlikely to happen.

It is looking increasingly less likely to happen, in other words.

i.e it is not going to fucking happen. Never was. Never will.

Leave voter believes the Daily Express.

Quite.

Ah, they are back are they?

I thought at least after the vote they'd disappear.

Daily Express headlines are fascinating. Doom and gloom, house prices, immigrants. X cures cancer, Y causes cancer.