Calais migrants could end up in Dover

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Ironic really but the mayor of Calais has said that she no longer wants to pay/enforce the border controls on the French side of the Channel (and why should she?) Rather than fewer migrants, this result has literally opened the gates.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/calais-mayor-calls-for-migrant-camps-to-be-moved-to-britain-foll/

We pay. It's our border, we pay. The police are there because France won't process them. France can sit there with a shit eating grin while tearing up agreements, but we certainly don't have to take the immigrants. We are an island nation. Doesn't take a genius to stop them.

The point, Kelandry, is that since the UK needs France, it also needs to play nice with it.

Until Friday, that usually meant share a seat at the European Council with it.

"we have shown Europe how we react when bullied"

"We don't have to let anyone into the country we don't want now, whole fucking point of the referendum."

Christ on a bike, Kelandry your views are the pits.

So, we reduce the excellent flow of migrants coming here legally making a net contribution to our economy but by doing so, we end up with thousands more arriving illegally and not paying taxes.

In fact Kelandry its people like you who give the Leavers such a bad name - stupid, bigotted, and viscous.

Ricecrispietreats, a tunnel with only one end is a hole. I think if France want to turn the tunnel into their way of getting rid of their migrant problem we just need to close it.

Good luck with that Kelandry given the Boris and the rest of them are now backtracking massively.

We will still need to take refugesss (and we take less than other comparable size countries).

We will still need immigration (have you attended a hospital recent,y and seen how many immigrants keep your NHS running?

If you voted Leave based upon immigration you are stupid.

Wow mrsjack, I'm a liquid that doesn't pour easilly?? If you're going to get all foot stampy, do at least read what you type, won't you dear.

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Am hoping desperately those who voted Brexit and say 'we aren't racist' are right and ignorant vile views like those expressed here are the minority.

I think if France want to turn the tunnel into their way of getting rid of their migrant problem we just need to close it.

There are miles and miles of coastline, too, and objects known as boats....

Actually I am wrong kelandry. You are not stupid because you were lied to by the Leave campaign.

I would say though that despite what Paris are saying the chances are the refugees won't end up in the UK as the agreement regarding them is one outside of the EU membership.

Kelandry, ahem, it's the UK who's tearing up agreements by exiting the EU. You're right, you can stop the migrants, but only on your end. So, I reiterate the point. The CAMP will be on UK ground. Unless you are planning to stop them all, physically, at the exit of the Eurotunnel, so that no other traffic can get through?

Why should we allow France to use the channel tunnel to pour their illegal immigrants into our country? We don't have to let anyone into the country we don't want now, whole fucking point of the referendum.

Oh dear. You got sold a pup. Have you seen Boris on the telly this morning, talking about how we'll be staying in the single market and protecting the rights of EU nationals in the UK? Otherwise known as the EEA. The rest of Europe would have to agree of course, but this is absolutely what the politicians who led the Leave campaign, whoyou believed, will be going for.

Londonmamabychance The point was, if you engage your brain, that the Tunnel is a potential terrorist target. Therefore, the French will keep on paying to keep it secured as they won't want it damaged, especially as it is owned by a French company. Neither will they want a repeat of the terrorist incidents that have happened in France fairly recently. The tunnel would be a target irrespective of there being migrant camps nearby, or had you forgotten that the metro and airport was attacked in Brussels this year as they were soft targets?

Ricecrispietreats There may be boats, but I can't see anyone getting that far on an inflatable only partially fuelled (as this is what the traffickers do) floating amongst the busiest shipping lanes on the planet bar none.

The French will be providing luxury boats and dropping them off no doubt

Like I keep saying, as soon as France lets it become our problem, we can close. the. tunnel. It's not like WE have a camp of migrants waiting to sneak over to France, they are the ones with the issues, not us.

Anyhoo, never gonna happen....so, moot point.

kelandry
Lets say that you have actually blocked the tunnel in your dreams somehow, if these migrants get a boat to reach UK shore illegally, what would you do then? Fire a missile to drown it?

Besides, how in the world do you want us to do any kind of trade with the rest of the world if you keep blocking tunnels? The moment they put feet on uk soil they will seek asylum . We can't do all trade via aeroplanes.

Absolutely, scaryteacher, dinghies wouldn't work.

But stowaways on all those many, many shipping vessels and ferries would get across, without people based in France stopping them getting on in the first place.

And for that to happen, there has to be friendly cooperation between the countries.

The French government have already said this will not happen.

I'm sure the French government say a lot of things that people like to hear. Don't necessarily make it so. How about when British beef was still being rejected by the French - with French government backing.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2467523.stm

Or have I just made that up ?

I'd love to see how anyone would get on one of the ferries Ricecrispietreats. I do Dunkirk to Dover and in reverse about 12 times year. Dunkirk is very secure, lots of barbed wire, electronic gates, can't get to the ferry without going through ticketing/check in, French passport control, UKBA, having your car searched, no foot passengers allowed etc, and armed police being there as well. My car was thoroughly searched when I took ds back to uni in the UK, despite it being plainly obvious that there was no space for an illegal immigrant anywhere in the car as there was loads of ds's crap in it.

Calais was also very secure the last time I used it, and security is higher there than at Dunkirk.

Le Touquet, which is the bi-lateral treaty governing this is not affected by the UK leaving the EU, and it has advantages for France as well in that their border is in the UK.

Kelandry - your ideas on how to stop any refugees are priceless and right out of the Middle Ages. You do realise that WE need the tunnel too? We can't just block it up. Are you planning on not letting anyone in or out? If so, I hope you've stocked up as the uk does not have enough food without importing.

scaryof course I understand what you implied, I just wanted you to explain it properly, as I suspected the argument, spelled out, would not make sense. Why would the tunnel be damaged by the French letting migrant jump on vans and travel to the UK? Migration has never structurally damaged the tunnel. Or do you mean that the mere fact the migrants are there increases risks of a terror attack, which would damage the tunnel? Of course, all major traffic points are potential terrorism targets, but migrants travelling though them does not, in any intelligence service's estimation, make them a more likely terrorist target. There has been concerns about terrorist potentially hiding among the migrant flows, and this way getting into the UK/Europe, but this is a different issue. Does not make the tunnel itself a more likely target.

Anyway, the fear of terrorist coming in with migrant groups is vastly exaggerated, as most terror incidents in recent years have been by so-called home-grown terrorists. But if you do want to talk about how to stop international terrorists from entering the UK, then the way to stop them is anyway never going to be mainly with increased border control, as most terrorists will have very good fake papers etc. The way to stop terrorism is mainly done by intelligence and intelligence sharing among countries.