Paris7 I honestly can't imagine how anyone could think Europe will make this painless for us. They will want to make an example of just how very, very bleak a future awaits those who leave, to prevent the public in any other member state considering it as a good option. It's simple common sense that we are going to be punished as harshly as they can manage.
We are screwed. Royally screwed. And while I'm sure there are some with valid and thoughtful reasons for leaving, even though my ideal state is not a low-tax, high flexibility one, on the evidence of this thread alone there are many more who have no real understanding of what they have done.
A lot of people in this area went on about "putting the Great back into Britain." It literally has no meaning - it's an advertising slogan worthy of M&S strawberries, not a decision of huge constitutional importance. Other people here went on earnestly about how our grandparents all managed. Well, firstly no, I don't think two huge world wars are indicative that things on the diplomatic front were managed better at all, personally - 70 years of peace in Western Europe is a phenomenal achievement. Phenomenal. We seem to lose sight of that because it's all we have ever personally known. And secondly, why do they imagine we were able to thrive economically before Europe? A bloody enormous trading block called the British Empire, that's how. What are the Brexiters planning to do; invade East and South Africa, India, much of the Middle and Far East and South East Asia and tell them that they have to trade with us on our terms from now on? Because short of that, how exactly are we going to mimic the economic success of our forbears? That success was built squarely on the back of colonialism, just as our more recent success has been built within the EU. We have never, ever, in recent history, genuinely gone it alone. Not ever. The myth about World War Two and Plucky Little Britain conveniently ignores the fact that we had a bloody great Empire at our back. Sure, we have to work with Europe; we can't just exploit and give orders. But since when was that something to be ashamed of? Equal trading, where both sides benefited, and both sides had standing to negotiate a good deal?
Economy wrecked, social and employment protections removed, and the country handed over to people who make Cameron look like a hippie. And people are saying "be calm, trust us!" when by the Leave camp's own admission, they have no plan whatsoever for what happens now, and many seem oblivious to what exactly they voted to do.