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to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

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SybilEngineer · 24/06/2016 10:02

A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

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GingerIvy · 24/06/2016 22:41

It's appalling to listen to people racking their brains trying to find a way around our democratic system. Listen to yourselves. Get a grip, for heaven's sake. It's been less than 24 hours. Get your hand off the panic button, step away from the keyboard, and engage your brains.

If remain had won, you'd fight tooth and nail against any chance of another referendum, no matter the margin. This behaviour is childish. WTF has happened to Brits today? I'm appalled at people - not for their votes, but for their behaviour! Wanting to hold more referendums or retrospectively change the voting criteria? Have a word with yourselves! Do you really think it's wise to upset the apple cart on democracy?

And lies from a politician?!? Seriously? You think they should call another referendum because politicians lied?! We'd NEVER get anything done - I've yet to see any political vote that didn't have lies from the politicians at some point.

Dear God, this is getting tiresome. If you spent as much time educating yourself on the process of leaving the EU and focusing on how to pull the country together and get this done with as little disruption as possible, we could do wonders. Instead, you're sitting on here bitching and moaning because you didn't get your own way. Unbelievable.

speakergirl · 24/06/2016 22:42

The remainers could always retreat to their 'safe spaces'

noblegiraffe · 24/06/2016 22:58

Hmm, certain political commentators on my Twitter feed are suggesting a second referendum is on the cards.

Cameron has resigned. He has not invoked article 50. There's going to be no one to do it for three months.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/06/24/the-brexit-debate-is-far-from-over-there-will-have-to-be-a-further-vote/

SybilEngineer · 24/06/2016 23:20

I agree, the debate is only just beginning.

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tiggytape · 24/06/2016 23:25

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LineyReborn · 24/06/2016 23:32

Merkel clearly wants us to stay.

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zikreetdreaming · 25/06/2016 01:10

Of course there shouldn't be a second referendum. If remain wanted a 60% majority that should have been on the rules initially.

That said, I still hold out the slim hope that by the time the UK has managed to sort out the various trade deals it will need to invoke Article 50, enough time will have passed and the reality of what the other option is will be known. One of my biggest issues with 'leave' was that no one was saying what that meant. If (as I suspect), the deal won't be what most leave voters are expecting, it's possible there may be enough of a tide change for MPs to ignore yesterday's result.

That's probably a long shot! However, we have a result. We may not like it but all there is to do now is to try to come together to work out the best possible solution for the UK. Infighting doesn't help that.

What this referendum has made clear is that a lot of people feel that the Westminster government doesn't represent them. How we move on in such a polarised state really worries me.

branofthemist · 25/06/2016 06:34

It's appalling to listen to people racking their brains trying to find a way around our democratic system. Listen to yourselves

I totally agree.

And who thinks the brexiters will take it laying down if they decide this referendum isn't valid and change the rules after?

These rules applied in the cutting referendum. They applied to this one. No matter how much I wish it was different.

Declaring this as invalid and holding another vote could plunge the country into further chaos, it makes a mockery of the democratic process.

I don't think people who signed that petition realise the implication of their signature on there.

nippiesweetie · 25/06/2016 07:54

It was a democratic vote. Yes it was, but the reasons why many people voted Leave are already being trashed.

£330m will not be given to the NHS each week. Leading lights of the campaign are saying things like they have no problem with free movement of labour, it's EU citizenship they don't like. Immigration from outside the EU is not going to come down either.

Cornwall is saying, 'But we'll still get the money we need even though we are out of the EU, won't we?' (Well, no. The EU cares more about the regions than any Tory government ever would.)

That's before we even get to the regretful protest vote Leavers. Good grief, people are phoning council electoral services asking if they can change their vote, or vote after all because they don't want to leave.

Farage said a 52/48 result for Remain would be unfinished business so he can hardly complain if there is a second referendum.

I think a second referendum would find a much more informed and engaged electorate taking part and is desirable. Remainers are a majority in parliament. I think it's quite likely to happen.

It was a democratic vote. Yes it was, but legally it was only an advisory.

shovetheholly · 25/06/2016 08:02

It is appalling to hear those trying to find a way out. This is democracy.

It is also democracy that those who voted a certain way should pay the price for it. Given that all the stats show Remainers are more likely to be net contributors to tax and Leavers net takers (yes, go look at the data) this could lead to some quite punitive thinking and arguments for the withdrawal of support like tax credits. I worry for the future.

lostincumbria · 25/06/2016 08:11

There's some confusion here about what the referendum was. It was not a legally binding trigger for the UK to leave. That is for the government to decide. Those are the rules. If the government decides to leave, it will. If not, it won't.

Anyone watching Boris and Gove yesterday might think they have no intention of leaving.

We are a long way from Out today.

merrymouse · 25/06/2016 08:24

All sitting MPs have to be re-elected at the next election. They draw their power from their constituents. If they ignore the wishes of the people on this they will be removed at the next election. To be honest this could even have been the case if remain had won by a narrow margin. Look at where the SNP are 2 years after Scotland voted not to leave.

The only way this could be turned around we be if a massive majority of Leave voters (including Boris and Gove) very vocally expressed their wish to change their mind. That isn't going to happen any time soon.

At least Farage currently has no actual role in government. Ignoring the referendum could very easily put him there.

GingerIvy · 25/06/2016 08:32

At least Farage currently has no actual role in government. Ignoring the referendum could very easily put him there.

This. In spades.

PausingFlatly · 25/06/2016 08:52

At least Farage currently has no actual role in government. Ignoring the referendum could very easily put him there.

Yes, this.^

It doesn't even have to be Farage. It could be someone even more unscrupulous, using the same and worse tools to gain power.

SpiceLinerandHoneyLove · 25/06/2016 08:56

It's a democracy. More people disagree with you than agree with you. Deal with it

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 25/06/2016 09:09

It seems no one wants the results though.

The leaders of the leave campaign don't want then, lots of the voters who voted don't want them now.
EU doesn't want them.
What a mess.

GingerIvy · 25/06/2016 09:12

It seems no one wants the results though.

That's your opinion. And it doesn't justify derailing democracy.

This is not the playground. You don't just say "Oh, I didn't get my way. We need to have a do-over."

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lostincumbria · 25/06/2016 09:22

There is no do-over. There's also no law which makes us leave the EU post referendum.

Cameron may have been foolish to hold the referendum, but he wasn't that stupid.

TheHiphopopotamus · 25/06/2016 09:23

It seems no one wants the results though

It might seem like that on Mumsnet or the BBC. The butthurt is almost palpable. But in reality, people who are happy with the result are less vocal for fear of being branded racists or xenophobes or stupid and uneducated. I really don't think upset Remainers are doing themselves any favours at the moment (and I voted to stay).

SpiceLinerandHoneyLove · 25/06/2016 09:25

it seems that no one wants the result

Crikey, you've been busy speaking to 17,410,742 people in 24 hours.

GingerIvy · 25/06/2016 09:32

Crikey, you've been busy speaking to 17,410,742 people in 24 hours

See, now I have to explain to my dcs why I'm laughing out loud, and they just won't get it. Grin

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 25/06/2016 09:39

You have seen Boris and Gove?
Dud they seem like the kind of people happy with the results they got?

ApocalypseSlough · 25/06/2016 09:41

What could happen? A general election where the winners say they wouldn't leave? I reckon all parties would put up stay candidates.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 25/06/2016 09:43

Also, people might have wanted the vote the cast, but not the results they got.