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Jeremy Corbyn admits being in the EU means unlimited immigration & no upper limit on numbers

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BritBrit · 19/06/2016 13:09

After weeks of David Cameron saying we can control immigration whilst in the EU Corbyn speaks the truth & says there can never be any upper limit to immigration whilst we are in the EU & we can never limit numbers if we are an EU member

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36570383

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AnnaForbes · 19/06/2016 18:56

Kathybeale I don't think people will keep coming it there are no jobs and no services and nowhere for them to live. Why would they? They'd be better off staying where they are or going to a different EU country.

Do you want the UK to reach this nadir? I dont.

Limer · 19/06/2016 19:28

Kathybeale Your point about immigration being self-limiting is true. When the standard of living in the UK has been lowered to match that in the poorest EU countries, their unemployed citizens will stop arriving. But not before then.

BoatyMcBoat · 19/06/2016 20:52

Yes, at least he told the truth. Cameron just lies and tells people what he thinks they want to hear. I don't actually have much problem with the free movement of people, it works in our favour too. I'd just like politicians to stop pointscoring and politicking, and tell the truth. I saw the itv thing with Angela Eagle + 2 on the one side and Boris + 2 on the other, and the in side were just embarrassing. Sick of hearing from MPs and their folk talking as if we are comlete idiots.

bkgirl · 19/06/2016 21:02

Don't think I would agree with letting living standards drop to the lowest in Europe. Use google streetview to have a tour of some of the countries looking to join. I can't blame their inhabitants, seriously they are really challenged (though often their country's beauty must help compensate).

BungoWomble · 20/06/2016 08:20

I'd agree we don't want a massive race to the bottom, but not that the EU is forcing that.

The problem in the UK is that the very rich within the UK are wanting to keep all their wealth to themselves and take yet more. Inequality within the UK is soaring. I don't have all the answers to global inequality, except that nothing is simple and in many (most?) places it is similarly elites that are holding their own people back. But our own elites are using globalism as an excuse, and anything else they can find, to grab larger and larger shares of domestic wealth.

It is the UK within Europe that pushes globalism and inequality agendas, not the rest of the EU - as a large economy we do have a lot of influence within it - and if we leave the EU those are the agendas and power structures we will be left at the mercy of. The only good thing would be that no one will be able to blame the EU anymore.

Millyonthefloss2 · 20/06/2016 08:50

Jeremy Corbyn is not a very good politician but he is a very honest man.

shinytorch2 · 20/06/2016 10:24

Agree Milly - at least someone is being honest about our ability to control EU immigration. Amber Rudd on the webchat said "Treasury assumptions are that net migration will fall".....really? . How ill that happen?

No explanation about how to pay for the infrastructure to support our population growing at net 330,000 per year. There is no plan - government are making it up as they go along.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 20/06/2016 13:07

Well Jeremy is being truthful about immigration

But an honest man really when he has constantly opposed the EU he has sold out now he has power

BungoWomble · 20/06/2016 18:17

No, I don't think he is a good politician in the modern sense - that requires being a self-serving, conniving, propagandist and eton debating club member who will tell the electorate any old simple lies to get into power. He has the makings of something better, ie statesmanship. As for his 'turncoat' behaviour, maybe he is listening, negotiating and learning. I hope no one holds my ideas from 25 years ago against me.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 20/06/2016 18:37

it's not from 25 years ago Corybn was very critical and questioned the role of the EU when Greece was on the verge of collapsing

odd that all he speeches have disappeared from his website and he is not one for changing his views. we witnessed that recently regarding with the antisemitism rows

Dapplegrey2 · 20/06/2016 18:48

BUngowomble - isn't mentioning the Eton debating club bringing up things from 25 years ago?

Everytimeref · 20/06/2016 18:51

Think Corybn is being pragmatic and see being in the EU is the lesser of two evils,

BungoWomble · 20/06/2016 20:02

I just meant the way these professional politicians play at winning debates and power and don't seem to know or care about the effects on ordinary people's lives. Oops.

NeckguardUnbespoke · 20/06/2016 20:57

Could you remind us, bungo, why Corbyn isn't a professional politician? What job has he had outside politics?

ThelmaLouise · 21/06/2016 02:17

It is all very well the Government saying, we'll build more houses, we'll build more roads. Firstly I cannot see a mad rush to start building more houses and more roads if we vote to stay in the EU (which I strongly believe we will.... sadly).. It takes a long time to build more houses and more roads and it is bloody disruptive in the meantime and even if we build more roads, the roads are so congested as it is, it really worries me what it will be like a few years down the line. It is so upsetting to think of the destruction of our countryside in order to build more houses and more roads if we stay in the EU with uncontrolled immigration.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 21/06/2016 04:20

I agree Thelma

WaspsandBeesSting · 21/06/2016 05:18

I know Cameron knows he can't reduce, stop, slow down migration so why does he keep saying he will 'control' it?

He won't admit he can't because he based a huge election pledges on doing so.

In an interview yesterday he was asked 4 times why doesn't he admit he can't and to say he avoided answering would be an understatement.

WaspsandBeesSting · 21/06/2016 05:19

Think Corybn is being pragmatic and see being in the EU is the lesser of two evils

Actually I personally think it is his position. Especially if you listen to the language he uses when talking about it.

I think if he was still a back bencher he would be leave as is Dennis Skinner etc.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 21/06/2016 07:06

JC was excellent on Sky News last night talking to under 35's. Informed, relaxed,pragmatic, principled. A refreshing change from the media savvy, soundbite driven Cameron, Gove, Johnson, Farage.

Littlemisslovesspiders · 21/06/2016 07:12

JC was excellent on Sky News last night talking to under 35's. Informed, relaxed,pragmatic, principled

Not sure the remain advisors are so happy.

After watching it my niece and her friend having been undecided are now swaying toward leave.

Not sure that was his intention or was it

GhostofFrankGrimes · 21/06/2016 07:16

Good for them - in the event of Brexit they'll be growing up an economically and socially isolated country with limited opportunities.

Littlemisslovesspiders · 21/06/2016 07:22

As for his 'turncoat' behaviour, maybe he is listening, negotiating and learning. I hope no one holds my ideas from 25 years ago against me.

Yet you seem to do that for other politicians. Double standards really.

Jelliedeels · 21/06/2016 07:27

They should be accountable when they lie

GhostofFrankGrimes · 21/06/2016 07:33

JC has explained why he voted against EU in the past. It is not a crime to change opinion on an issue whether you are a politician or member of the public. Nor do you need to be a raving europhile to vote remain.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 21/06/2016 08:53

He so clearly hasn't changed his mind though. Never seen such lacklustre support for a campaign.

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