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Without talking about immigration, can anyone tell me......

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BertrandRussell · 19/06/2016 12:52

........what laws or regulations have been passed by the EU which have been detrimental to the UK?

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eyebrowse · 19/06/2016 22:54

Salene - if we leave the EU, I would think that our waters would be even less safe from other countries as we won't have EU laws to protect our 20%

SanityClause · 19/06/2016 22:55

The EU is not undemocratic. The problem is, we (in the UK) don't take European elections seriously, instead using them as a punishment vote to express dissatisfaction for the government in power.

If the Torys had not left the European People's Party, (currently the largest party) and instead joined the European Conservatives and Reformists (the third largest party) they would have been able to directly influence the choice of candidate, and we therefore would have had less chance of ending up with Juncker as Commission President.

Which pretty much sums up the whole situation, we now find ourselves in.

We can sit on the edges, and sulk when it doesn't go our way (because that's all we will be able to do) or we can get right in the thick of things, and have a say in what is important to us.

Salene · 19/06/2016 22:57

Tell me this what benefit is it to uk to have our waters dominated by Spanish and other EU counties trawlers and not our own..?

The fish are still be caught but just not by us.

How is that of benefit to the Uk 😂😂🙈🙈

Salene · 19/06/2016 22:59

Eyebrow it won't be 20% we can claim back all our waters , U.K. Trawlers can fish them once again instead of Spanish and other countries

Just like the did in the 1970's

puffylovett · 19/06/2016 23:02

Following with interest but nothing much to add Blush

Chris1234567890 · 20/06/2016 00:40

Did someone back up in the thread say the EUs there to protect us from our own dodgy government? Confused
If that's the remit, there's really no further debate. If you want to live in a democracy you must vote leave.

To the OP, ANY interference in the governing of a nation by an outside influence/body is detrimental to that nation. In the old days, we used to call it 'imposing sanctions ' now it's called the EU and were supposed to be cheering?! I do fear we've lost the plot.

BertrandRussell · 20/06/2016 06:57

"Just like the did in the 1970's"

That went well, didn't it?

I sometimes think that some "leave" voters think that leaving the EU will take us back instantly to some mythical time of heritage potatoes, cheery whistling milkmen delivering milk fresh from the farm, and popping down to the quay to buy a couple of mackerel from the trawler for supper.

Postman Pat World.

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CantAffordtoLive · 20/06/2016 08:32

This:

Changes to Britain’s infrastructure, both Financial and Industrial, due to the EU
(Note: So you are aware - Most of the contents below are common knowledge, but it has not all been verify)
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. (and don’t forget, these grants are all made with OUR money )
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
UK strategic oil pipelines (military airfields) are owned by a Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU has paid to destroy (using our money of course), nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany. (Would you want our soldiers dying in Turkey or Ukraine?).

Compiled by committee member Bob Rush, in order for you to see how the E.U. has destroyed many jobs in our country and, I only hope that those people who have lost their jobs because of these actions, will support Brexit on Thursday.

CantAffordtoLive · 20/06/2016 08:35

If you can find this on line it is worth watching:

'The Spectators video' Brexit Facts Not Fears. A short film by Toby Young.

I'd do a link but I've spent so much time on MN I'm going to be late for work again!

rogueantimatter · 20/06/2016 10:55

Some of our infrastructure is owned by China - an American owned company does some work for NHS Scotland. British productivity is comparatively low if we addressed that by investing in better infrastructure etc we'd be more competitive.

My feeling/hope is that globalisation and technology are making the world 'smaller', and the indian and Chinese middle classes are growing. A lot of the rest of the world is catching up with our historical advantage of having a very early industrial revolution. This seems fairer.

There was an interesting programme about the Faroes - tiny and not members of EU. Not part of the CFP. They do well with their fishing but their fishing practices are more sustainable than the trawling of pelagic stocks (eg haddock and cod - with other things going in the net too). They catch ( non-endangered) pilot whales that come into their waters - they don't go far to catch them - don't actively 'hunt' them - for their own consumption only and eat all sorts of fish that we think are unappealing.

rogueantimatter · 20/06/2016 10:59

Our fishing fleet began to decline from around the turn of the century. A lot of the fish caught then were herring and mackerel. Our tastes have changed in preference to cod and haddock which are deep sea fish. Herring is very bony and fiddly. Mackerel is now sometimes used as bait!

We now export a lot of farmed salmon. And a lot of our crabs are exported to Spain.

shinytorch2 · 20/06/2016 11:04

Can'taffordtoLive - is this the video you were referring to?

IamSlavetotheEU · 20/06/2016 11:06

Op is it the done thing to ask a question of us, then keep changing the goal posts when you get answers you don't like?
i agree with earlier poster who said what is the EU for.

I find the idea that the UK who is a leading light in the world, on democracy etc, needs over paid fat cats in Brussels on the gravy train to make laws for us.

It really is farcical.

I think a better question would have been,
" the laws you like from Brussels, couldn't the UK have made them anyway" why do we need brussels. and what can do about laws we dont like and dont want, who do we lobby, how do we protest?

BertrandRussell · 20/06/2016 11:09

"Op is it the done thing to ask a question of us, then keep changing the goal posts when you get answers you don't like?"

I don't think I'm changing the goal posts- I'm just trying to get an answer!

Can I gently point out that you don't actually have to answer!

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IamSlavetotheEU · 20/06/2016 11:14

No you have someone gave you a list you said it was copy and paste, someone said something else and again it was rejected.

I am not keen on posters whose constant MO is to keep asking questions, who move goal posts then ignore answers they don't like, It wastes all of our time.

MrsHathaway · 20/06/2016 13:25

" the laws you like from Brussels, couldn't the UK have made them anyway" why do we need brussels. and what can do about laws we dont like and dont want, who do we lobby, how do we protest?

One of the things I like about the EU is that it forces our politicians to consider issues and pass legislation that they would far rather not of their own accord, regardless of the needs and wishes of their constituents. So yes, they often could have, but would they have?

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