Without talking about immigration, can anyone tell me......

[BertrandRussell]

........what laws or regulations have been passed by the EU which have been detrimental to the UK?

Ah- red tape for businesses. Like what?

You said to think of a time when the EU has over ruled British Parliament and I disagreed with it.

The EU blocked us from deporting that known terrorist preacher.

I disagreed with it. As did many.

OK.

I am actually perfectly happy with a system that does not deport people until it is certain they are going to be treated humanely, so I'm with the EU on this one.

The Hamza case was adjudicated by the European Court of Human Rights, which is not an EU institution. It's often confused for one, though.

I don't care how badly people who have committed crimes in this country are treated after deported. If you don't fancy that, then don't commit crimes in the uk.

In terms of red tape, the 3 that cause me most headaches are agency workers directive, fixed term workers directive and the endless dicking about on how holiday pay is calculated and sick pay.

No doubt they benefit some individuals, but on balance the bureaucracy involved in compliance is excessive IMO.

OP, the salient point for me is the fact that we have surrendered nearly all our power. As laws are made, we have very little opportunity to stop or amend them. However, the EU can amend laws that the UK has made.

The laws in the EU are made by 28 EU Commissioners (including Neil Kinnock who failed to be elected twice to our British Parliament). The Commissioners making 59% of the laws that we live under arent elected and cant be kicked out.

Once laws are passed, there is no mechanism to repeal them. We can object to a piece of EU legislation if we can persuade 14 other members to join us. In order to have this "red card" Cameron surrendered our right to give or withhold consent on treaties which deal with converging the Eurozone into an EU superstate. As the Eurozone will shortly consist of all member states bar UK and Denmark, we will be a tiny voice unable to have any real influence.

If you care about our democracy and the ability to make our own laws, Brexit is the only way we can achieve this.

"I don't care how badly people who have committed crimes in this country are treated after deported. If you don't fancy that, then don't commit crimes in the uk"

It's because people think like this that I am glad we have the European Court of Human Rights...............

The Commissioners making 59% of the laws that we live under

Citation needed. 15% or less, isn't it?

"The Commissioners making 59% of the laws that we live under arent elected and cant be kicked out."

Could you say some more about this?

I thought the 59% figure bandied about was that we have enacted 59% of eu laws - lots of stuff in the directive says member states may which means that particular article is not mandatory - it's only when it says shall - which is less than half, so the actual percentage of national law is much lower.

Happy to be corrected though!

Not bollocks at all Hovercraft, I can see you are still charmless and full of insults.

The ECJ gained vast power over virtually everything through the Lisbon Treaty (Gordon Brown signed this quietly, treasonous bastard). Before the Lisbon Treaty, the ECJ had powers over a little of our jurisdiction. the Lisbon Treaty expanded this power to include defence, foreign affairs, immigration, justice and home affairs.

The UK has lost 3/4 cases it has fought in the ECJ undermining our democracy. We had no referendum on this signing away of our powers.

"The UK has lost 3/4 cases it has fought in the ECJ undermining our democracy. We had no referendum on this signing away of our powers."

Can you tell me about one of them?

The Commissioners making 59% of the laws that we live under figure from Paxman's EU documentary on the BBC.

This is a short (14 mins) piece by Toby Young. Its a clear explanation of how our democracy has eroded.

Bertrand, there are many, easily found via google. The ECJ has forced us to increase the price of beer, slapped higher taxes on energy-saving products and prevented favourable insurance for female drivers.

To me, the important point is we do not have control of our own laws. That is central to sovereignty.

Fishing quotas

Fishermen allowed 20 boxes a month , they would get that in a day before

industry totally destroyed by away

Destroyed by EU that should say

EU fishing quotas have maintained fish stocks so that we can still eat fish and at least some people can still be fishermen.

Yes it is the case that fewer people are in the fishing industry than previously. This is due to more efficient fishing methods leading to over fishing not the EU. It is just the same as there are fewer coal miners because we have used up most of our coal and fewer people working in farming. because of machinery.

If fishing becomes a free for all, fish will disappear which will affect all life in the sea and mean a less healthy diet and eventually an end to the fishing industry completely.

"Bertrand, there are many, easily found via google"

I'd rather you explained one to me.

Eyebrow I'm sorry but that's nonsense the EU handed over 80% of our waters to other countries up fish in

I live close to what was European busiest port my husband is a ex trawler man

The EU destroyed the UK industry in fishing

The quotas we wee handed is nothing to do with overall stock

Has the uk retained all there waters for UK trawlers the fishing industry would still be booming

I'm not sure wher you get that info from but it's simple not true.

Hmm, I think you are being a little obtuse Bertrand. I have listed a few examples, you can look them up if you want to.

Some information about the CFP

Lots of people are telling me "all I have to do is google" Surely they would have a killer case to hand for just this sort of discussion?

Sanity that article is hilarious , what a load of biased nonsense

Try telling that to the many men no longer working round my way due to EU fishing quotas they will laugh in your face.