Is anyone else getting quite tired of being called a racist?

[Peppatina]

I know it can't just be me.

It doesn't matter what carefully thought out reasons a brexiter has for wanting to leave (I've seen some very articulate and reasoned ones on mn itself) we are still all getting lumped into a stereotypical group of closet racist idiots.

And Lord forbid any of those reasons might just involve any concern over levels of eu migration!

I've been told that I'm essentially imagining the three week waiting list for my GP or that this is nothing to do with eu migration. If I say I know it is because of the names being called out I become the equivalent of Enoch Powell.

The same goes for a certain local estate very much being a no go area, especially for young girls. After braving this street once with my children and being spat on and shouted at by a group of very hostile Romanian men/boys I've been told I imagined it.

When I had my son a few week ago my I was the only English speaking person in my ward. A polish man was shouting and being very aggressive to staff as they were struggling to find an interpreter.

I absolutely know that not every migrant is aggressive and that they should build more schools and go surgeries but I believe I'm right to be concerned about a high number of migrants who are not intergrating with their local community and the unsustainable strain on services.

I'm sick of being told that my experiences don't matter. That to even mention that this is what life is like in our town means I am a racist or little englander.

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

Yes it is but it is also an area that has wealth and and becomong more mc by the day

[swamitjanet]

A polish man gave up his seat on the bus for me once, I'm voting IN.

[QuiteLikely5]

People do not want their public services eroded by folk from other parts of the world creating a strain on them.

I could not give a hoot who is using our public services as long as the government is prepared to put in more money to accommodate the extra people but they do not seem to be doing that hence why folk get peed off.

I understand the government does not have a bottomless pit of money - fine but don't bloody let millions of other people into the country until your infrastructure can accommodate them!!!!

By that I mean, housing, education & health.

And no it is not wrong to feel uneasy when in your own country of origin but no one on your hospital ward is the same as you. You can say it is wrong and shoot the op down but she can feel that way and should be able to express it without being shot.

She didnt feel it was great, she does not have too, and nor did she sign up to it!

It seems that there is great harm in people expressing concern over such things when op was not trying to cause harm, she was merely trying to give an example

[lavenderdoilly]

Wretched foreigners coming over here, working, paying taxes.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

I am not even slightly suggesting that....all foreign people should be magically carted off

This is the absolute crux of the matter for me.

I don't want anyone carted off, I don't want anyone here to feel unwelcome. It's their home nie.

But I do think we are getting towards capacity; I don't want new towns full of schools, hodpitals and houses built up over our countryside and farmland to cater for the swathes of new people coming in.

The migration think tank have forecast 250,000 extra people into the UK year on year for the next 20 years if we stay in the EU That's huge.. And it doesn't count Turkey in its figures.

[mountaintoclimb]

Hermionewheasley and Quitelikley, I entirely agree with your posts .

[Chris1234567890]

Yep, tired and utterly offended by it. How bloody dare they! The world and his wife knows uncontrolled economic migration has disastrous effects.....but we're called "little englanders" (David Cameron) now don't you know. How bloody dare he and all who follow suit.

[SanityClause]

We need immigrants of one sort or another, to fill the positions that are vacant.

So, do we have, say, Romanian bricklayers, because they already have a right to live here. Or do we choose to have a huge bureaucracy whose function is to give potential immigrants from all over the world a number of points based on their bricklaying skills, and decide that way to allow them to work here.

The immigrants that come here will be the exact same people. We will still have those same Romanian bricklayers coming here. We will just have to pay a huge number of civil servants to assign them "points" first, when in fact, if we have a flexible European labour market, that bureaucratic job is done for free for us.

[lavenderdoilly]

Turkey isn't in the EU nor is it joining any time soon. Sorry if that spoils it.

[disappoint15]

There is a really nice Polish teaching assistant at our local primary school. I was treated by a lovely polite Lithuanian nurse the other day when I gave a blood sample. And a very hardworking Latvian painted my house recently. Taking your example and extrapolating as you have done, I've extrapolated from this that all Poles, Lithuanians and Latvians are hardworking, reliable, employed and paying tax. So what's the problem?

The trouble with anecdotes is that everyone's got different ones. I don't have to wait 3 weeks for a doctor's appointment. And I live in a big city with lots of immigration from all over the world.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

No we won't SanityClause because many wont want to go through the procedure of that, and may not fill the requirements anyway.,

[Sunshineonacloudyday]

If you got what you want how would it improve you're life. There would be less tax's paid into the country. How would it change. There is an obsession with immigration I wonder why people come here in the first place what an attitude to have. I welcome the EU I have never met an aggressive foreign man or woman but I have an English person. My dad being one of them and who ever else has crossed my path.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

I won't take your word on that if you don't mind lavender

[Peppatina]

But I'm not extrapolating that ALL (insert nationality here) people are anything?

These are just a couple of examples of how things are going wrong in my community.

There may not be any problems in your areas. You probably don't have a 'no go' area, long waiting times or trouble in your school or hospital.

But where I live we do have problems. And that doesn't mean that I'm racist, hate foreigners or that it isn't real.

[SpoonintheBin]

It is years of cuts by the conservative government that is causing long waiting lists, the NHS being more stretched than ever before, same with schools. School budgets are being cut and have been cut over the last few years it is not immigration that is causing strain it's indiscriminate cuts by the conservatives and their desire to privatise all schools around the country. It's an absolute disaster, and now some leaders are trying to blame immigration because of the problems this is causing.

I am an immigrant and a creator of good, solid jobs and I pay my taxes. I get really fed up with people assuming that I have come here to magically abuse of your generous system.

[mountaintoclimb]

Sunshineonacloudyday, listen to yourself. By your values you are being as racist as the people you accuse.

[QuiteLikely5]

Lavenderdoilly but why should anyone be coming here unless the country can cope with the demands they place upon the public service???

Just because someone pays £100 tax per week it doesn't mean we should be allowing that on a max scale because quite simply our infrastructure cannot cope with it and it breeds resentment

[Peppatina]

I would want some sort of control over eight immigration at least until the infrastructure has begun to catch up in the poorer areas of the U.K.

[QuiteLikely5]

So I think it's fair to say to the government yes let's have a lax policy on immigration but put the bloody funds into it so that communities can cope with the extra bodies

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

I don't QuiteLikely

[mountaintoclimb]

I don't want to live in a country with a population of 80 million.

[Paniniswapx3]

I think Op, this thread has disappointingly proved your point - people are so quick to scream racism if it's anything mentioning foreigners or immigrants etc. No rational reasonable debate or recounting of experiences is allowed at all & I reckon that will have a massive impact on helping people vote out during the election, which is disappointing in itself. (I'm undecided currently myself).

[Peppatina]

Over EU immigration, not eight.

I do believe it is immigration that has caused my long wait times in the last year or so personally because when I do eventually get in to the doctors 8/10 names being called are European.

Please note that this in no way 'offends' me and I do not hate foreign sounding names. But that it is what has contributed to me believing that immigration numbers have infact bumped up waiting times in my area.

[claig]

'but put the bloody funds into it so that communities can cope with the extra bodies'

But that would require higher taxes unless they were prepared to cut their ringfenced foreign aid or their taxpayer funding of the charidee bosses that Cameron is memsmerized by,.