1-Control immigration & introduce a skills based system - already exists for non EU people its very hard if you actually talk to anyone, we already have passport controls etc which you dont get in europe. Any future deal with europe would include free movment, its inescapable. The NHS though and other agencies should work better to recoup costs from other governments.
Free movement is not a pre-condition for trading with EU member countries. Most of the rest of the world does so without giving EU citizens the right to live in their countries. The fact that we are geographically close to those EU member countries should not give them an automatic right to live in the UK. The 'free movement' was originally agreed for 'work' and services - not because you happen to fancy living in a different EU member country.
2-The UK Parliament makes our law not the EU - some of the EU laws were damned better than any thing UK has proposed.
The House of Commons library says that 60% of our laws originate from the EU.
3- Save £55 million a day - even with rebates, subsidies, science funding, tarrif savings as well as any future deal with europe would mean paying them but with no seat.
The UK is borrowing the money that we pay to the EU so they can spend on their frivolous activities, such as dancing lessons. Because we are havinng to borrow this money our UK debt is increasing. We are saddling our children and grandchildren with debt so the EU can hand billions of Euros (raised from member countries like us) to the Ukraine and put itself in direct conflict with Russia.
4- Regain control of UK fishing waters - was being overfished tbh
When we leave we will reclaim our fishing grounds and will rebuild the fishing industry around our coasts
5-Withdraw from the CAP so we don’t pay for EU farms - UK farmers will lose out too - tories wont subsidise - its the defecit daaaahling.
'Tories won't subside'? - the landowners, who are usually Tory voters. Like Mrs Camerons' father who owns hundreds of acres attracting subsidies? If we stay in the EU we will be paying farm subsidies under the CAP to some of the poorest peasant farmers in Europe, when Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo, Bosnia et al join. How will the EU (us) afford that? Farmers know their own subsidies would be cut - that;s why they (but not their union) want out of the EU.
6-Sign our own free trade deals - what have we got to offer that puts us in such a good bargaining position? thats why city panicking as they will lose trade and cross party politcal elite tied to the banking industry.
We have a lot. We are the 5th largest economy in the world. We have a lot more to offer China in a trade deal than Iceland has - but Iceland has negotiated a trade deal with China I think we'll manage just fine.
7-We will not be signed up to the TTIP - we will sign it without any bargaining as there will be panic to get those trade deals sorted "as promised"
TTIP is a deal between the US and the EU. When we have left the EU we will not be part of the EU deal - we can't be, we have left. So Leave the EU, escape TTIP. Stay in the EU and you will farmed by big corporations who benefit from TTIP - the ones who are funding the REMAIN campaign
8-Being outside the CAP provides cheaper food prices - i'm split on this either cheap imports that will ruin local agriculture or high tarrifs on imports from other countries meaning prices go up.
Being inside the CAP keeps food prices artificially high as it is a protectionist scheme that prevents food imports from other countries. Remember the butter mountains and wine lakes. It's is counter fair trade for developing countries. The EU cannot afford to extend the same CAP to the poor countries will are negotiating to join.
9-Cheaper energy prices-outside the EU we don’t have to apply EU green laws - WTAF this is a good thing we should try to be more efficient with energy, energy companies should be non profit making with profit going into wages and new technology/improvements not shareholders.
Yes, outside the EU we would set our own fuel prices and taxes.
10-Introduce a British Bill of Rights-EU members must sign up to ECtHR
I am not in favour of a Bil of Rights - a bill of rights actually restricts your freedoms as it lays down what you can do. Without a Bill of Rights the natural assumption is that you are free to do anything you like - within the law, Bill. In or Out of the EU, the UK will never be able to remove itself from the jurisdiction of the ECHR - the politicians would never pass that.
11- No chance of the UK joining the Euro in the future - is this fear mongering?
No. Cameron claims to have an opt-out. However, all it would take for any future PM to adopt the Euro and scrap the £ would be for that future PM to write to the EU asking permission to join the Eurozone. It's as simple as that and we wouldn't even get a vote on it. Watch our savings fall and our debt rise as we are sucked into that disastrous currency. And we will be if we stay in because the EU will say - why do you need your own currency? You have just voted to stay in the EU. You may as well adopt the Euro now. And that worries me greatly. It's much safer to be right out of the EU and safe-guard our currency. Greece gave up its currency and because of that it can never devalue and start its recovery.
12-We can stop future EU members e.g. Turkey/Albania/Serbia get free movement to the UK again we need better government funded to recoup money from EU. Also employers dont HAVE to employ cheap foreign labour, they could you know pay an actual living wage.
It's because the UK has one of the highest (and increasing) minimum wages in the EU that is attracting migrants. When the UK is paying £7.25 (and plans increases) and Bulgaria pays 82p an hour you would be stupid to stay in Bulgaria.There is nothing that Cameron can do to reduce that pull factor - except decrease wages, which he isn't doing -he is increasing them, Sturt Rose, leader of the REMAIN campaign is on record as saying that if we left the EU wages would rise.
13-We will not have to bailout Euro countries - we had to bailout banks and pay them their bonuses but not the steel industry - a uk problem rather than EU.
We were told (assured) we didn't have to bailout the Eurozone - and then found we did have to. Greece has said it will probably run out of cash again with weeks. It will need another bailout because it has to repay billions of Euros to its lenders in July - and will not be able to make those repayments. The Greeks are being bled dry by the banks and there is nothing they can do to stop it - because they have surrendered their currency to theEU, so have no alternative escape route.
14-We can use the money we pay the EU on Britain e.g. NHS it will get privatised its the deficit blah blah
There will be no savings. we actually borrow the £billions we pay in membership fees each year to the EU. This is money that is added to our national debt - that our children will have to repay - so we can give it to the EU to squander on useless projects, while we impose austerity cuts here in the UK. Let's stop this nonsense and start reducing, not increasing or debt.
15-Protect UK culture - ?
I think the poster means 'way of life'?
16-The UK would be an independent sovereign nation - ?
Yes. It would regain the ability to
1) make its own laws
2) raise its own taxes
3) trade freely throughout the world
4) control its own borders
5) defend itself
17-We can repeal EU regulations holding back business We already got out of working time directive its 2016 for gods sake not 1816 I dont want to go back thanks.
Most of our small businesses do not trade outside the UK but are still forced to implement all EU regulations. That adds to the costs of things in the UK without adding any benefit. It's red tape. The UK is actually a leader in workers rights - the increase in minimum wages, more generous maternity leave than most EU countries.It the EU that is eroding workers rights and TTIP will erode them further,
18- The UK can take back our own seat at the World Trade Organisation who would we side with - see note 24?
We would't 'side' with anyone. It gives us a right to trade freely with countries throughout the world - something the EU prohibits us from doing. Having a foreign power such as the EU negotiating your trade deal is not good for your trade -the EU is compromising our trade for a one-size-fits-all 28 EU members. Take back control and trade in our country's benefit.
19-The UK will not be forced to join an EU army - what UK army? both government have decimated it and we would probably still take part in some peacekepping etc.
President Junckers has publicly called for an EU army. Our safety is ensured by NATO. The EU' already conducts military operations (stunning revelation for an organisation that is supposed to be about 'trade' only). The EU army will be the next step. We do our peace-keeping role via the UN. There should be no place in the world for an EU armed forces.
20-Outside the EU we can require immigrants to pay for NHS & not claim benefits/housing We can do that we just do it badly.
No, we can't. Under EU law every EU citizen has the right to be treated equally. They are as entitled to benefits, healthcare and social housing in the UK on an equal basis with someone who is British. The Govt may attempt to recover the cost of treating visitors. It recovered £69 million last year from EU countries in NHS costs and paid out £647 to other countries for treating our citizens abroad. Any EU citizen working in this country can claim child benefit like any other worker even if his.her children do not live in the UK. They can claim healthcare for their dependants in their home country and charge it to the NHS - even if their own health service does normally charge them for those services.
21- The EU is undemocratic-Parliament will be fully accountable to Brits again I have no UK party that represents my views and...
The EU is acknowledged as having an inbuilt democratic deficit - that's why even REMAINers talk about a reformed EU.
22- We could introduce a law for British jobs for British workers we could but we wont as business want cheap labour -see point 12.
We cannot introduce British jobs for British workers while the EU prohibits us as under EU law every one is equal so there are no 'British' workers - just EU citizens and no 'British jobs' - just jobs that are currently available in the EU's British territory. The EU send the UK an uncontrolled stream of cheap migrant labour that depresses wages within the UK.
23- We can charge EU students international university fees for using UK universities guess so - though is it that big a problem especially if they then work in our country making up the language gap and making UK plc more competitve globally?
It is a big problem as EU students can apply to Student Finance for UK funding for their courses, adding to the UK debt. I want students with skills to remain in this country too but I do not want to favour EU students over students from throughout the world who may have the skills this country needs but who are forced to return home at the end of their courses if they cannot meet the £35,5K salary qualification to remain in the UK.
24- The EU forbids state aid so the UK is unable to support UK industry e.g. steel as mentioned before tories blocked this at the EU. Help could have been given with soft loans etc to modernise the plants etc in the past to make high grade products. Also in line with the WTO question above so we would petition that china is flooding the market while letting them build a rip off nuclear plant.
Outside the EU we could set our own tariffs to stop the country being flooded with cheap steel, we could subsidise our critical national industries, we could 'Buy British' instead of having to open purchases to competition and import foreign equivalents that adversely affect our balance of trade. When . if a Labour Govt comes to power it will find what it is able to do severely restricted by the EU. No re-nationalisation. No British subsidies. That's what happens when you let the EU rule over you.
25-The UK can control our own VAT currently the EU set the bands -?
No the EU states the width of the bands. The EU may allow the elected Prime Minster to zero VAT rate Tampax if he asks them nicely. Having to ask the EU to be allowed to sell VAT-free Tampax is an example of where we do not control our own VAT.
If you have a gloomy view that Labour will never again be electable and the EU will be your saviour you are very wrong.
The EU is not for the average worker - it is for big corporations, banks and hedge funds whose 30,000 lobbyists in Brussels ensure the EU passes laws that favour them - not the average worker.
That's why its the big corporations banks and hedge funds that are gleefully funding the campaign to get you all to REMAIN in the EU. They want to farm you.
We seem to have forgotten the banking crisis and the tax dodging of big corporations - why on earth would we want to take their advice and REMAIN in the EU?
No thanks. I'm OUT.