What would it take to vote for the Green Party? (If you don’t already!!)

[Redkamishibai]

I’m just learning about the Green Party and forming my own view of it. I can see some quite big changes they would need to capture my vote but I wondered what other people thought? Would your children encourage you to vote green and if they did would you follow their encouragement?

Can the so-called feminists hijacking this thread please remind me, are you for or against JK Rowling?

What a pity this thread has been hijacked by the anti-trans people, or whatever they are.
Not anti trans at all.

I also think that safeguarding should apply to everyone and am inherently suspicious of anyone who think that individuals or groups should be beyond reasonable safeguarding procedures. In fact, I question anyone who think they should be able to bypass safeguarding and be beyond reasonable scrutiny.

The Green Party aren't showing me they take safeguarding seriously at the moment, which is a shame as I like their other policies

I care a lot about the environment. But not enough to vote green anywhere except local elections.
As PP have said - they don't respect my sex. Climate change does affect women more, but if you don't know what a woman is, its hard to do anything about that.
Also in a marginal seat, it would feel like a wasted vote.

If we had proportional representation I probably would. Or if my consituency was Brighton Pavilion. Generally I see voting under the current system as a need to pick the least worse relistic option for the seat I'm voting for.

Knowing what a biological woman was, in terms that don't reduce them to not-men.

@UntamedWisteria

Can the so-called feminists hijacking this thread please remind me, are you for or against JK Rowling?

If they stopped referring to women abs “non women” that would be a start.

If they supported women’s sex based rights I could be persuaded to vote for them

I'd love to be able to vote for them, but they don't represent or recognise me as an adult human female.

You asked.

I’ve always voted Green, so that’s 41 years.
Until this year, when they stopped defining woman as an adult human female and denied scientific facts. So instead of being focused on the environment, with evidence-based arguments, they have lost their path IMO.
And that saddens me in a way that Labour never could.
There are a lot of women who have no party to vote for that protects our rights.

For them to apologise for dehumanising women, to stand for women and girls' sex-based rights and to completely overhaul their safeguarding protocols following the Challenor outrage.

I agree with UntamedWisteria about Caroline Lucas, I was delighted by her success.

@UntamedWisteria

Can all you single agenda feminists please fuck off to the feminism board so some of us can have an educated and informed debate about green politics.

I’m no “single agenda feminist”. I’ve been an environmentalist since the 1970s, have campaigned and supported environmental causes and charities and done my best to live as best I can in an environmentally friendly way. I have brought up my children to behave in the same manner. But I would never, never support an organisation that a) clearly does not understand basic human biology and b) puts the rights of a minority of men above those of all women and girls.

Waiting for the women interested in debating politics who aren’t feminists

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For them to co-ordinate with other non SNP indy supporting parties and sort out who stands where in the second, regional list vote in the next Holyrood election.

Firstly, it would be a lost vote. Also, a lot of their policies are based on ideas that I disagree with. So NO from me.

@UntamedWisteria

Can all you single agenda feminists please fuck off to the feminism board so some of us can have an educated and informed debate about green politics.

Sorry, didn't realise we had to follow your rules!

Although ironically you haven't discussed green politics at all on this thread, apart from mentioning Caroline Lucas.

I'd be rather more inclined to vote Green if they ditched the fucking socialism. Also don't like their stance on nuclear power or HS2. So in short, it'd be a bloody miracle for me to vote Green. I'll stick with Lib Dem, and see what they have to offer on green politics.

I always vote green in a local election because they are the only local candidates we see year round doing anything. The others turn up at election time and try and persuade me why I should vote for them.

General elections are more complex. I don't agree with green party stance on women, and also am more concerned with getting the tories out.

I'd return to the Greens (used to be a member) if they followed science in all areas, not just the environment.

Putting aside the womens rights issue.
I've just skimmed through some of their policy's and actually think they could be very revolutionary. But I worry it would be very unworkable. A lot of it will meet severe opposition from the current incumbents and career politicians who will want to protect their own interests and investments as they do now.
Most current politicians , lords and MPs are rich which gives them the time and funds to be a politician. Most dont have any experience or training to be, for example, the secretary of state for health and social care, but did a uni course on philosophy and economics so thats alright then.
What I'm trying to say is that it would require a massive upheaval to the way the current government is run and I don't think the green party can achieve much in just 4years without the old boys network spinning it all to look like a bad job and getting them voted out again.
It would need to be smaller more insidious changes.
I would love for us all to live in this green utopia where wasteful plastics are banned and the NHS and schools are funded properly but I worry if the greens decommission trident and our other national defences we leave ourselves vulnerable. I think we should follow the Swedish model.
That was a bit incoherent and waffly sorry.

They would have to understand what a woman is and they would have to apologise for the Challenor fiasco and their handling of it. They would need to show that they now understand safeguarding
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To @UntamedWisteria

let's have an educated discussion, you could start by explaining what the 'Challenor' thing is that has been referred to. or are you not up on what goes on in the green party?

Here is hint. Greens employed him knowing he was waiting trial.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/coventry-captive-girl-attic-torture-den-david-challenor-coventry-a8502991.html

just in case you don't click link.

The girl was 10 tied up and tortured.

Just imagine if that had been a man in the Tory party doing that. Whose offspring was going for senior office in the party.

This would have been headline news and a national scandal and the party would have been appointing a senior judge to run a review and promising that lessons would be learned...

But here for reasons to do with the ideology that can never be criticised, everything was hushed up, nothing was done, nobody lost their job and the party remains so in thrall to this nonsense that women get called non men.

Caroline Lucas may have a lovely line in recycling bins but she presided over this. I’d be wondering what happened to her moral compass that she let all this go on unchallenged.

Women, especially women of colour, are going to bear the brunt not only of the climate catastrophe, but of many of the measures required to prevent it. It simply isn't possible to discuss climate activism without looking at how both the problem and the solutions intersect with the rights and realities of women globally. Given this, it should be self evident that a political party dedicated to green politics is going to be less effective if it a) can't define what a woman is and b) seems to openly hate us.

Having said that, I also believe that if the green party is going to get off the crazy train its going to take work from the inside. That's why I became a member earlier this year.

We desperately need a green political option that understands why environmental policies must be intersectional, feminist, anti racist, and grounded in science. So I'd really urge everyone who's interested in this topic to join up and try to make the Greens a party worth voting for.

I do actually vote Green - while holding my nose - I'm in a safe Tory seat so I can vote what I want.

In terms of the Environment and Animal Welfare policies Labour's Manifesto knocked spots off the Green Party but other stuff was off-putting.

So Green it was.... as the best of a bad bunch.

To get a committed vote from me they'd need to be more specific on their green and animal welfare policies. Strengthen the ban on Fox hunting; stop the badger cull; review the use of insecticides and farming practices; stop HS2; invest in Green Power sources as a starting point. And stop eroding women's rights.