The Vegan Quiche

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Hi

Thought I'd start a thread for the vegans and wannabe vegans.
Anyone here!?

Old thread here.

that's really interesting ThatBloodyWoman

I really want to keep my own chickens now! Must be cheaper than the only eggs I currently allow our family to buy (from a farmer we know who's welfare standards in life and death are extreme in how amazing they are - and it shows...$8 for a dozen eggs!!)

I really don't think it's cheaper at all tbh!

Layers pellets and bedding materials are expensive, and you can get few, or even no, eggs in the dark winter months.

But you DO know how they live day in day out, and can be assured of their quality of life.

this is true....which is worth its weight in gold for this egg-eating-in-the-right-circumstances-vegan

Just a quickie.

I have gound a great milk for those who are struggling with soya.

Try alpro's Simply Mild soya.

Miles more palatable taste!

Thanks for the heads up TBW - sadly I don't think we can get it here, but I'll keep an eye out for it next time we're back in the UK. Non-dairy milk is the only aspect of veganism that I'm still struggling with; if only I didn't like my coffee so much...

It says 'new' on the pack Linzer -so I'm not sure how new, and perhaps it'll filter through in time...

For anyone in the uk, I got mine in Tesco's.

Anyone tried the soya light and can let us know what it's like?

If not, I'll try some next week and report back!

Yes, fingers crossed TBW. I had a quick
look on Alpro's German and UK websites and there are about twice as many different types of soya milk available in the UK. I've tried the soya light and didn't really find it any more palatable than the normal one; from what I read on the website, the taste is the same but the consistency is lighter. Maybe I just need to give my palate more time to adjust - I keep chopping and changing, and still haven't managed to give up dairy milk.

Hi all

Can I ask what your thoughts are on zoos?

So, if your DC's school was going on strip to the zoo would you low them to go?

• on a trip! Not a strip

Hi, Alpaca.
I am totally against zoos. They are disgusting places, and I will never ever take my child. I am teaching my child that animals are not ours to view as food, clothing or entertainment. They exist for their own reasons, not for humans. I do not think zoos are a good lesson in animals anyway. They are not in their natural habitat. What is that teaching my child?
We will never go to aquariums either, same reasons. SeaWorld et al is an atrocity. Have you seen the film Blackfish? There will be an exposé in time about zoos, and we will see zoos dying out. I wish that would hurry up!

www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/top-misleading-claims-zoos-make/

I hope to take my child on safari, have him learn to SCUBA dive when he is old enough, see creatures in their own environments. I know not everyone can afford that, but I still don't think lack of funds means we should imprison animals just so we can see them up close.

Meant to say. Costa Rica are closing all their zoos. Change is happening. I hope the rest of the planet follows suit soon. We will soon look back on our treatment of animals in horror, much as we do now regards human slavery.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything in your post, OhTheIroning

I abhor zoos. I watched a documentary on SeaWorld and it, really upset me. (It may have been Blackfish)

I tend to avoid watching it now, it just so frustrating

• by it, I mean any animal abuse videos.

I am waiting to see Blackfish OhTheIroning -I have it on order.I'm really interested in seeing it-I'm sure it'll be an eye opener.

In answer to your question Alpaca, I wouldn't now go to a zoo or aquarium with my kids, knowing what I know now.Having said that, they have been, although before I had dc's I wouldn't even consider going near a zoo.I think I lapsed when I went to the place on Jersey that was started by Gerald Durrell-and from that, zoos just crept back in,against my better judgement.

OhTheIroning I was thinking about what I said about hens who don't have their eggs taken not stopping laying.See, I have only ever had hens with a cockerel therefore the eggs are always fertilized.I wonder if it would be different with unfertilized eggs.Obviously it makes sense to keep laying fertilized eggs to ensure continuation of the species -so if the hen goes broody they're sat on a whole clutch.

I just wonder how any parents (who are vegn) would forgo their beliefs and allow their children to go to the zoo so that they didn't feel left out.

I am so glad I haven't got to make that choice Alpaca since mine are past the school zoo trip age.However I am not vegan (yet).

I suspect that if there was a non-vegan parent it would be hard for a vegan parent to argue that a child couldn't go on something so seemingly uncontroversial and mainstream as a school trip to the zoo.

Sadly.

Can I be nosey and ask what everyone's "vegan story" is? How you came to be a vegan, what your initial and then ongoing reasons were, did you do it gradually, progress from vegetarianism or go from omnivore to vegan overnight?

I'm just interested as I'm going through the process, I'm not sure if I'll eventually become fully vegan at this stage, and seem to be working my way through various reasonings and deciding for the first time where my "morals" lie....

ATB I've been a vegetarian since I was 14, but it was only about a year ago that I decided to try and become a vegan. It was after reading various threads on here where it was mentioned that if you're a vegetarian for ethical reasons, you really ought to be a vegan due to male calves and chicks being killed as a result of the dairy industry.

I cut out most dairy products virtually overnight, although am still working my way through my stockpile of non-vegan chocolate and biscuits (although haven't bought any since Christmas 2012!). As you may have gathered if you've read the thread, my only real stumbling block is getting used to non-dairy milk in my coffee - but I'm determined to get there...

so this is the thing, I've never considered vegetarianism (mainly because I think I knew if I delved into the research there'd be no turning back, selfish I know) but always thought if you're going to be veggie you ought to be vegan too for those exact reasons (mainly the deaths of male chicks and the whole AI of cows leaves a really bad taste in my mouth)

In reality I'm finding it difficult but also think I'm more likely to "fail" if I attempt to change overnight. Vegetarianism is relatively easy as I don't eat much meat and now I'm no longer in the land of bacon butties I don't even crave it, veganism is proving harder than anticipated

ATB I have found that it's been my renewed interest in environmental issues that has made me really consider trying to go vegan. Also I've been reading a lot about the food industry and just what junk we are now being fed with enormous cost to the environment and our health.
I knew a lot of vegans in the 80's and always considered them a bit too 'right on'.
But age and experience has taught me the bigger picture, and now I understand that meat eating has no place in my environmental ideals.

Alpaca, I would not forego my (our -DH is also vegan) beliefs and ethics just so my child can blend in. Our son is being raised to know we don't just automatically do what everyone else is doing. We stand up for what we believe in. That it is ok to be different. More than ok. I hope he looks back and is glad he never went to a zoo, glad he was never given animal flesh to eat, or milk to drink.

ATB, my vegan story. I went vegetarian when I left home and went to uni. Five years later, I decided to give up all animal products, initially just as a challenge of my willpower. I hadn't actually intended to stick at it more than a few months, and hadn't even heard of veganism. But within just a week or so of no dairy, I just felt amazing. My skin felt better (it wasn't bad. It just felt clearer, brighter). I had no bias towards wanting to feel better, I just felt it in my whole body. I felt lighter all round. And then I started research and very quickly discovered how detrimental dairy is for our health, I learned about the devastating impact on the planet, and the truth about the dairy industry - no happy dancing cows willingly giving us their milk. And that was it. I never looked back. I feel like I am living true to my self, my ethics.

another question - we now have a cat (hooray) but I'm torn what to do about feeding her - I very much doubt they are pasture raised happy chickens going into her food but cats shouldn't really be on vegetarian diets should they? I dind't even think about this...

Hi all, love this thread.

I am a wanabe vegan after 18 years of being a veggie. Wish I had gone vegan or at least tried it a lot sooner than now, as I have a very young baby and am breastfeeding so could do without any extra stress over what to eat. If it was just me I wouldn't be so bothered about cutting stuff out but I'm really conscious of not missing out any nutrients as I'm bf.

ironically though, having a baby has probably made eme more set on becoming vegan than ever. I know what my body went through to make and give birth to my baby, and the thought of being a literal milk machine and losing my baby son is just sickening, so I have a different perspective on it now.

Having said that I am not finding it that hard so far being a part time vegan and will eventually be full time once I have finished the xmas chocs etc and worked out what I can eat while out and about.

I have mainly decided to up my nut, fruit and veg intake and include nutritional yeast to make up for anything im missing do you think that sounds about right? Not gone down the vegan cheese route yet but found some soy milk I like ;)

Americas - we also have a cat so that raises difficult questions for us too :(

Hi Hubb!

Just a quick post on the milk taste test.
I found the soya light quite palatable -but maybe it's just that my taste is adjusting.

I have, however, just discovered the delight of oat milk and dorset cereals classic fruits, roasted nuts, and seeds muesli......I couldn't see any non vegan ingredients listed.

I have also started drinking a bit more decaff coffee too-and I think vegan milk alternatives definitely go better with coffee than redbush tea! Trouble is that I don't like the idea of what's involved to make coffee decaff......

ATB, I defer to vegans on this thread on that one, rather than myself as merely veg-curious at this point!