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Ecover products

53 replies

LilacBump · 21/05/2006 15:33

at the moment i only use their washing up liquid, but would like to try more. does anyone use Ecover products in their home? are they as good as the conventional cleaning products?

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CountessDracula · 23/05/2006 11:28

I live in london and their loo cleaner is fine for us! I squirt it in in the moring twice a week when the cleaner is coming so it is there for a while and then she gives it a good scrub.

Also use their bleach, washing up liquid and dishwasher tabs when I can get them but tbh I don't find them as good as normal ones at all

Straightforward · 23/05/2006 11:35

Love the washing up liquid, multi surface cleaner, limescale remover spray, laundry liquid and fab cond, but don't rate the loo cleaner, cream cleaner or dishwasher tablets (but then we live in a v hard water area and I'm a lazy cow...)

lahdeedah · 23/05/2006 11:39

I don't know what you people do to your toilets!! Shock Grin I use the Ecover toilet cleaner and it's just fine. I live in London, very hard water so we do get limescale build up from time to time - all I do is slosh some white vinegar in the bowl, leave overnight and a quick scrub the next morning usually sorts it.

Also use the multi-purpose cleaner, cream cleaner and non-bio washing powder which are all good.

peachyClair · 23/05/2006 12:16

Washing powder is fine, fabric conditioner is wonderful. Loo cleaner seems fine- chuck some coke in and close the lid for an hour if it needs a boost.

lunavix · 23/05/2006 13:43

I use the washing up liquid but I've just found out their products are tested on animals! So not so sure anymore!

charliemouse2 · 23/05/2006 14:05

Shock Shock Shock lunavix!

Where did you find that out? From a reliable source?

We use Ecover everything in our house because we thought it was better for the environment, but will stop if they test their stuff on animals.

Why would a 'green' label do that?

LilacBump · 23/05/2006 14:28

shocked to hear they would test on animals!
the other day i was reading a list of household cleaners and their ingredients being tested on animals and i must say pretty much everything in my cupboards was! it's one of the reasons i started this thread as i thought ecover wouldn't!

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JanH · 23/05/2006 14:34

From \link{http://www.ethiscore.org/info.aspx?info=reports/full/toilet_cleaners\ethical consumer magazine website} (Jan-Feb 05)

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RedZuleika · 23/05/2006 14:38

This is the statement from their website:

Animal products

Our products do not contain animal derivatives. The only exception is Milk whey which is included in Ecover Camomile and Marigold washing up liquid. Apart from this one washing up liquid, all Ecover products carry the Vegan Society label, which means that a leading vegan organisation deems them suitable for consumers who do not wish to use products containing animal ingredients. An alternative vegan washing up liquid, Lemon and Aloe Vera, has, however, been developed and was launched in 1997.

Animal experiments

From the outset, Ecover has never tested ingredients or products on animals, nor commissioned such tests, and it has always been candid about it. In our opinion, animal testing to assess environmental and health risks is unnecessary.

Ecover is a pioneering company whose cleaning products are produced with the objective of minimising their impact on the environment. Ecover products are developed using formulations based on renewable plant, and widely available mineral ingredients as an alternative to the petro-chemical based brands which currently dominate the market.

All Ecover ingredients, therefore, are chosen to ensure that our products achieve the lowest possible toxicity and the most rapid and complete biodegradability to minimise the impact on the environment and all life forms.

Because of these demanding objectives and because Ecover is the leading company in this, Ecover is working with a higher proportion of new ingredients which can offer improved overall environmental advantages to the benefit of all forms of life, whether human, animal or plant.

Alternatives to Animal Testing

For a long time, Ecover has been using alternative testing methods based on bacteria, algae and red blood cells to evaluate the possible environmental and health risks posed by various products. Since we also expect the same level of commitment from our suppliers, we ask them for an annual statement confirming that the materials they supply to us have not been tested on animals. What is significant in this respect is not so much our control but on-going encouragement to keep looking for reliable alternatives.

Actual Policy

In line with ECOVER’s environmental policy and in recognition of the strong beliefs held by animal welfare organisations, we offer a clearly defined animal testing policy:

since their foundation in 1980 ECOVER have never tested any finished products or ingredients on animals, nor have they ordered such tests by third parties
for research and product development ECOVER use alternative methods of testing only. For Example – RBC (Red blood cell test)
all Ecover suppliers are required to submit an annual written confirmation for each ingredient that no animal tests have been conducted on it. These statements guarantee that none of the ingredients have been tested or re-tested for the last five years
Ecover will continue to pressure all suppliers to ban animal testing
Ecover is not a member of BIBRA
to reflect the development of Ecover’s animal testing policy Ecover supports FRAME (Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments)

Ecover and a Fixed Cut Off Date

Ecover continually strive to improve their product range against all of their exacting criteria - These include sustainability of ingredients, achieving low aquatic toxicity, effective primary degradation, High skin compatibility and good ultimate (secondary) degradation. In addition the products must also perform and be available at a realistic price. To achieve this Ecover are continually developing and testing new ingredients. We do not perform these tests on animals and employ alternative methods.

For these ingredients to be included in a product, ingredient suppliers are forced by international law to prove their innocuity.

The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date.

For example, in March 2002 Ecover introduced Ecover Squirteco – a ready to use all purpose cleaner. The product was developed using a new generation of ingredients – bio-surfactants. Ecover have tested the product and its ingredients extensively using alternative methods. However a fixed cut off date would have prevented its introduction.

Ecover believe that by operating the five year rolling rule we are upholding our beliefs – we are honest and integral in our approach and will continue to pioneer for the future

LilacBump · 23/05/2006 14:39
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JanH · 23/05/2006 14:43

"Ecover claims that the only way it can introduce products that are even less harmful to the environment is to introduce newly developed ingredients (the example it gives being biosurfacants).(5) Such ingredients have to be tested on animals by law"

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charliemouse2 · 23/05/2006 18:26

Sorry - v confused now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the statement on their website indicate that they DON'T test on animals?

Am appalled that I never even considered household cleaning products might be tested on animals. I think my tiny mind somehow thought that because make-up isn't tested on animals any more, nothing except medicine was.

JanH · 23/05/2006 19:31

I'm confused too, cm2 - that's why I picked up on that bit from the ethical consumer mag site. Must say I wasn't aware before that "Such ingredients have to be tested on animals by law".

expatinscotland · 23/05/2006 19:32

People on a budget, see this:

\link{http://www.dri-pak.co.uk/index.html\naturalcleansersarecool}

LilacBump · 23/05/2006 19:37

i really hope what's on their website is true.

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JanH · 23/05/2006 19:40

OMG, do you have to look like \link{http://www.dri-pak.co.uk/products/dishwasherproducts.html\this} to use their products?

azroc · 23/05/2006 19:41

A good eco-friendly toilet cleaner is Urtekram. Their factory is entirely wind- and hay-powered and the cleaner works!!
They also do lovely shampoos, toothpastes, etc.

JanH · 23/05/2006 19:43

I did look at \link{http://www.urtekram.dk/docs/indhold/default.asp?side_id=80\Urtekram} but it's all body products there?

azroc · 23/05/2006 20:27

They do make a toilet cleaner, honest! I've got some in the bathroom. Try asking your local health food shop if they'll stock it. If it's any use to anybody, I buy mine in The Healthy Life, Little Brittox, Devizes.

JanH · 23/05/2006 20:29

I'm in Lancs, azroc - Devizes is a long way to drive for eco-friendly toilet cleaner Wink

Gloworm · 23/05/2006 20:31

i own a health shop in ireland, we sell quite a few ecover things, this is all news to me, I'll be asking the rep from our wholesalers next time i see him

FillyjonktheSnibbet · 23/05/2006 20:33

i make my own gloop and use vinegar/bicarb/soda crystals for everything else. i do use their washing poweder. I also use lovely essentiall oils with the money I save!

lunavix · 23/05/2006 21:15

have a look \link{http://www.buav.org\here}

under resources, and household cleaning (dirty secrets)

It's definately true that they do.. I think what's on their website is just cleverly worded to confuse people! In other words, if it's been tested on animals over 5 years ago...

I've bought a few eco-friendly home cleaning books instead, 'better basics for the home' and 'clean house clean planet'. Just waiting for them to arrive.

On that link there's approved people who don't test on animals though.

Gloworm · 24/05/2006 09:43

delighted to see jasons and faith in nature on that list, we sell stacks of jasons stuff in our shop. i didnt know they did cleaning products though, another thing to ask my wholesaler about.

Cappucino · 24/05/2006 09:49

expat wow on the soda crystals - they do everything!

can they also bring up your kids for you and be served up as a tasty lunch?