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Does anyone agree with Tony Blair on Nulcear power?

98 replies

rosycheek · 18/05/2006 13:54

I'm finding it very hard to understand why anyone would want to build more nuclear power stations. They may reduce CO2 but then you are left with radioactive waste!!

We live on an island FFS. We are surrounded by all this natural energy. Is it just people's NIMBY 'ism that it stopping us from harnessing it? What it so wrong with wind farms ...at least you can remove them with out leaving future generations with the problem of radioactive waste.

Am I in the minority with this, or do people think nuclear is the way to go?

BTW, I love the environment topic, feel much better now for my rant!

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sharklet · 18/05/2006 13:54

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

sharklet · 18/05/2006 13:58

That is no I don't agree, with all the natural resources we have here in abundace, wind and sun being obvious ones. What about giving an incentive or a setting out legislation which would require new builds to have to generate a percentage of their own power, it might encourage houses being built to include solar as part of the design.

Having been to the coastal areas of Holland and seen the huge and beautiful wind farms they have I don't see why we can't undertake something similar here. Blair is just a fool IMHO who can't see farther than the end of his nose.

rosycheek · 18/05/2006 14:04

Agree with you totally sharklet. I think there's alot to be done in educating people and making them realise the impact of what they are doing. Legislating for new builds seems common sense, yet they just don't want to do it. If I could afford it I would jump at the chance of installing solarpanels into my home.

And wind farms ARE beautiful things. Have you seen \link{http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/projects/index.html\this}. Have just changed over to them myself.

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Fauve · 18/05/2006 14:06

No, sack the bastard.

rosycheek · 18/05/2006 14:11

LOL Fauve!!! If only it was that easy!! Maybe we should start bombarding our local MP's? Grin

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zippitippitoes · 18/05/2006 14:15

what about the severn barrage project which shopuld have the output of 2/3 nuclear power stations? \link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1761579,00.html\ but is hated by environmental lobbyists}

rosycheek · 18/05/2006 14:19

Where are you zip? I'm in south Wales and I've been watching this about the barrage. Can't quite make up my mind about it. Although, they were quite easy about building the Cardiff bay barrage and flooding all the estuary there - but then that was for commercial reasons, obviously more important than saving the planet.

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ruty · 18/05/2006 15:17

The Sustainable Development Commission, the government’s own advisory body on sustainable development issues, concluded recently that nuclear power is not the answer to the UK’s climate change problems. But Tony Blair decided to ignore them. I wonder why. Backhanders anyone?

zippitippitoes · 18/05/2006 15:30

If the Severn Barrage was built then the coastal environment should improve for ecology..I can't see that the environmental costs of actually building it ie the input into the resources required would be greater than building nuclear power stations..it seems like a better project to me (but then I am related to someone who is an advocate of it!)

FillyjonktheSnibbet · 20/05/2006 00:30

No, its a fecking stupid idea.

We actually need to take steps to reduce the amount of energy we consume. Like get our obese bottoms our of our 7 seater SUVs and walk. Like accept that we don't need our food flown from Israel then shrink wrapped in 17 layers of plastic. Like put on a fecking jumper.

And also, I'm sorry, but businesses have a lot to answer for, they need to bite the bullet also.

Tax on airline fuel anyone?

Weekend flights to New York, what the hell is that about?

Windfarms are loverly btw. I remember the first time I saw one, I just stood and looked for about 30 minutes, it was so spare and beautiful, like a sculpture.

monkeytrousers · 20/05/2006 09:29

Did anyone see the Marcel Theroux documentary on this. It may not be the ideal first choice but it may be only option to avert catastrophe on the short term.

It isn't politically expedient for governments to look to long term solutions as they no on one will vote for them, no one wants to do without now in order to save others later. So again no one is prepered toput money into long term solutions.

FillyjonktheSnibbet · 20/05/2006 10:03

we need to massively cut energy use. massively. and the stupid thing is we can. if we cycled or walked 90% of the time we would be healthier, know our neighbours better, and i think be happier, if we ate local food and grew our own, we'd be healthier and encourage biodiversity.

i find it truly scary that, even after chernobyl, 3 mile island, windscale and the rest, people would rather contiune to sit on their ar$es in front of the tv eating prepackaged junk than cut back.

i do also think there are social problems involved. i don't blame people on the breadline. but i blame the rest of us, including myself. this is our kids futures we're chucking away here. we don't have the right to do that.

the government could introduce incentives, etc, but at the end of the day, we elect them.

ruty · 20/05/2006 14:24

i agree totally filyjonk. I feel angry every time we walk down the street and my son breathes in the black diesel fumes of the buses labouring down the road every few seconds. I can't believe the mentality of people who just don't care - even now. And we are still getting TV programmes titled 'Is Global Warming Actually Happening?' Er, yes for F*s sake, it is. Now what? It really does my head in. And as for nuclear power - I'm just speechless. The legacy we are creating for generations to come. We really are not that well evolved as a species.

edam · 20/05/2006 14:30

I find it bizarre that politicians can use the national secuity line to defend nuclear power. A. they are clearly a potential target for terrorists and B. this is the same government that is paying farmers to stop producing food. How come it's so important that we produce our own energy, but fine for us to rely on imported food?

Nuclear power is a very, very stupid idea. We still don't know how to handle nuclear waste 50-ish years after introducing nuclear power stations. And yet you have to be able to keep this stuff safe for hundreds of thousands of years. Fat chance!

mumfor1standfinaltime · 20/05/2006 15:17

Good to see that many of you like wind farms, as I do too.
But where I live there was an outrage when the wind farm was erected! Petitions and allsorts..ridiculous.
Not sure what the answer is myself, but do believe that more natural (wind, solar etc) power is needed.

zippitippitoes · 20/05/2006 15:18

I like wind farms but they are very noisy close up like air conditioning units

mumfor1standfinaltime · 20/05/2006 15:21

The wind farms in my area were going to be in the Sea, but were still opposed! (They did go ahead)

ruty · 20/05/2006 15:53

the opposition to wind farms is nuts. Would they be ok with a nuclear power station built in their back garden?

monkeytrousers · 20/05/2006 18:10

We shouldn't really blame Blair for this either. It's just a bit of a cop out. The government know we'll never vote for higher car and fuel taxes to discourage us from using our cars. And they know that developing countries won't settle for a lower quality of life than the one the west enjoys. Wind energy can't provide the amount of energy needed. There is a risk with nuclear, but there's a risk on not going nuclear too.

DominiConnor · 22/05/2006 10:38

Agreed, wind & solar are only marginal sources, and no technology we can see will make them good enough for a whole economy.

As it happens I like the way wind farms look, and you have to be pretty close to hear much noise. Sadly they are big consumers of oil, and dangerous to workers on them.

I'n not quite sure how dams and barriers can be seen as good for the environment, though you could argue that sometimes they are less bad than other sources.

We can of course reduce our energy consumption, but we have to be realistic about this. Slagging SUVs is good fun and keeps young greens happy and occupied, but are a tiny % of energy consumption.

Industry tries quite hard to reduce consumption mostly of course because it costs them money, so I'm sceptical that big reductions are to be found there. A few % either way makes little difference.

New homes are vastly more energy efficient, I specified that the new shed/play castle be built to same standards as a new house. This means 3 inch thick insulation everywhere, including the floor.
The EU tries desparately to keep energy saving bulbs more expensive to "protect european jobs", but they are failing, and their cost has come down a lot.
Better boilers are a useful reduction, but we're talking 10-20%, which is not going to change the world.
To subsist long term on non-nuclear/carbon sources we're talking about something like an 80% reduction on total consumption. No plausible energy saving programme is going to get us there.

But it is owrth doing. Building these reactors will take decades, and it's pretty inevitable that we'll have at least one disaster on that path.

But all forms of energy are bad things. An energy source that looks "green" and "safe" when you see some nice brochure from the greens or the lobby of the manufacturer becomes really horrid when you scale it up to deal with millions of people.

Uwila · 22/05/2006 13:17

We nee nuclear power to reduce our dependancy on the whims of Moscow. Let us not forget how they played with the supplies to Ukraine and hence western Europe only a few months ago in the dead of winter. They want to buy Centrica (British Gas). We do not and I can emphasize this enough -- DO NOT want Russian to control our energy supplies.

I agree that the radioactive waste is a problem. And I support research on renewable energy technologies. And yes windfarms and solar panels are grand -- as long as they are affordable. But, until we affordable renewable sources of power, we should look at nuclear as a means to reduce our dependancy on carbon fuels.

And I work in the oil industry. These high prices suit me just fine in the form of job secuity. But, long term, they are pretty scary because they can and will lead to a recession, a housing market crash... we don't really want to go there.

Pagan · 22/05/2006 13:29

I'm with Fillyjonk. Basically the majority of the good old British public are selfish bastards and whilst they crow on about windfarms, nuclear etc. they probably drove to their local lobby meeting in a massive 4x4 after feeding their family stuff from around the globe.

My DH is in the power industry and whilst I think that more should be done to promote sustainable energy, until we reduce the energy we use, what else can be done. He was at a sustainable energy forum in England and a certain utility company north of the border also had representatives there - they only needed one rep but they had about 4 and they all flew down first class and stayed in a very posh hotel. He asked them why they didn't come by rail and they all shuffled their feet and looked sheepish!!!! That's what we're dealing with here.

And I agree that new builds should have a caveat that they should incorporate some form of self energy!!! The problem with the massive windfarms needed to ensure that the UK meets it's sustainable energy targets is connecting them to the national grid. Rather than look at these huge projects we need to look at the smaller scale ones and new builds is the perfect start but again coz of greedy developers and politician, the bleeding obvious is overlooked. If smaller communities can provide themselves with enough energy then they don't have to link into the national grid and what's more they can even sell their surplus energy and plough profits back - see \link{http://www.gigha.org.uk/windmills/TheStoryoftheWindmills.php\here}

Uwila · 22/05/2006 13:30

The reactors referenced in this article are currently being built in Finland as part of the \link{http://www.ol3.framatome-anp.com\Olkiluoto 3}.

\link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4683248.stm\Nuclear Industry Looks to Finland}

Uwila · 22/05/2006 13:32

Do you think that people moaning about irresponsible use of power should maybe turn their computers off? Wink

Pagan · 22/05/2006 13:37

LOL Uwila Grin