Assisted Dying

[AlphaB3tty]

I wasn't sure how to get this out there.
How can we not support assisted dying when women are allowed abortions and animals are put down?

[abracadabra1980]

I honestly don't' know. Personally, I've have the ethical dying conversation with many of my customers over the years, and not one, hasn't wanted to be in control of their own death. After watching my dad suffer for over three years and requesting to die, with a neurodegenerative disease, I would absolutely have been supportive of this.

[ObliviousCoalmine]

There is no reasonable and logical argument against any of them.

It's only when people start mixing religion and lack of education into it that it all gets murky.

[GoodnightAdeline]

People usually trot out the ‘slippery slope’ argument but it holds no water for me; we have moderation in all areas of life that haven’t lead to extreme outcomes. We allow abortions, but not infanticide. We have social services but they don’t remove children at the drop of a hat. We imprison people but only after due process and a fair trial. We can have assisted dying that doesn’t eventually give way to euthanising the sick or disabled against their will.

[CreateYourOwnUsername]

I agree with you. Like with abortion, you can still be against doing it yourself while accepting that it is allowed.

[TraitorsGate]

I support it in the right circumstances but also support better pain and symptom control, palliative care, hospice beds, respecting the wishes of patients who refuse medical intervention, food, fluids, hospital and tests plus allowing people to die a natural death rather than prolong at all cost just because of pressure from patients, relatives and doctors who are scared of being sued.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

I used to be for it, until I saw what was happening in Canada....

[CreateYourOwnUsername]

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I used to be for it, until I saw what was happening in Canada....

What is happening in Canada?

[RickyGervaislovesdogs]

I agree with you OP. I want to go, if I’m in pain, miserable, haven’t got a clue who I am, or what I’m doing here and soiling myself then where’s the quality of life ?

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine What’s happening?

[AlisonDonut]

@GoodnightAdeline

People usually trot out the ‘slippery slope’ argument but it holds no water for me; we have moderation in all areas of life that haven’t lead to extreme outcomes. We allow abortions, but not infanticide. We have social services but they don’t remove children at the drop of a hat. We imprison people but only after due process and a fair trial. We can have assisted dying that doesn’t eventually give way to euthanising the sick or disabled against their will.

Have you not seen what is going on in Canada?

[AlisonDonut]

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I used to be for it, until I saw what was happening in Canada....

Snap.

It it quite dystopian.

[MadamVastra]

Luckily we aren't Canada

[Kimmeridge]

@AlisonDonut What's happening in Canada. I couldn't find anything obvious on Google

[AlphaB3tty]

Thanks posters. I thought I was gonna get loads of negative views.
My PERSONAL view is I don't agree with abortion. HOWEVER, I understand on medical grounds it maybe something to consider, but, don't use it as birth control!
As adults in our right minds we should be able to make our own decisions. If we can decide on DNR when in hospital what difference is assisted dying.

Btw, what's happening in Canada then??

[AlisonDonut]

@Kimmeridge

@AlisonDonut What's happening in Canada. I couldn't find anything obvious on Google

You are kidding right?

[RickyGervaislovesdogs]

I’ve found a few things:
Surrounding children age 12 and over being potentially allowed to make a decision.
There two cases where women wanted special housing for their care needs, didn’t get it so had assisted deaths.
Allowing the mentally ill to make a decision on ending their lives.
See the Guardian for more information.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/25/canada-assisted-dying-laws-in-spotlight-as-expansion-paused-again

[Kimmeridge]

@AlisonDonut

You are kidding right?

No which is obviously why I asked. I can see loads of articles but wasn't sure what's being referred to

Thanks so much for your help though 🙄

[Kimmeridge]

@RickyGervaislovesdogs

I’ve found a few things:
Surrounding children age 12 and over being potentially allowed to make a decision.
There two cases where women wanted special housing for their care needs, didn’t get it so had assisted deaths.
Allowing the mentally ill to make a decision on ending their lives.
See the Guardian for more information.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/25/canada-assisted-dying-laws-in-spotlight-as-expansion-paused-again

Thank you. So much more helpful than snidey comments

[AuntieMarys]

Bring it on.

[Thehooligans]

As it stands I face going alone to Dignitas to die if current cancer treatment doesn't work (immunotherapy), either that or rot away in a hospice for weeks/months. I don't care about getting better palliative care, I want to die on my own terms, with my loved ones around me. Why does someone else have the right to choose how I can die?

[ChardonnaysBeastlyCat]

Because something is happening in Canada, doesn't mean it will happen here.

It's a very weak argument.

[midgetastic]

But people are the same the world over
Financial pressure are the same

I don't say no but I do say that it needs a lot of thought and control

Depression is very common in the elderly and no one in the uk seems to respect the elderly or want to treat them / I mean pay money to keep a person over 60 alive ! - I can see them turning to assisted dying rather than assisted living

Especially with the greedy inheritance seeking individuals who resent their parents taking a holiday or paying for a gardener - the hate I see on here makes me scared that older people will be emotionally forced : bullied into it

Life is a terminal condition after all

[Dewdilly]

@midgetastic

But people are the same the world over
Financial pressure are the same

I don't say no but I do say that it needs a lot of thought and control

Depression is very common in the elderly and no one in the uk seems to respect the elderly or want to treat them / I mean pay money to keep a person over 60 alive ! - I can see them turning to assisted dying rather than assisted living

Especially with the greedy inheritance seeking individuals who resent their parents taking a holiday or paying for a gardener - the hate I see on here makes me scared that older people will be emotionally forced : bullied into it

Life is a terminal condition after all

I don’t see that on here at all - about greedy individuals worried about their inheritance. It’s the opposite - more that people actually do want their elderly or declining parents to pay for a gardener or cleaner or to go into a care home.

[ChardonnaysBeastlyCat]

@midgetastic

But people are the same the world over
Financial pressure are the same

I don't say no but I do say that it needs a lot of thought and control

Depression is very common in the elderly and no one in the uk seems to respect the elderly or want to treat them / I mean pay money to keep a person over 60 alive ! - I can see them turning to assisted dying rather than assisted living

Especially with the greedy inheritance seeking individuals who resent their parents taking a holiday or paying for a gardener - the hate I see on here makes me scared that older people will be emotionally forced : bullied into it

Life is a terminal condition after all

So if an elderly person is terminally ill you want them kept alive because they might be depressed? How does that make sense?

As for inheritance, I would rather my children enjoy the money I can leave them, rather than spending it on me being kept alive if I have no quality of life.

[AlisonDonut]

@Kimmeridge

No which is obviously why I asked. I can see loads of articles but wasn't sure what's being referred to

Thanks so much for your help though 🙄

What did these loads of articles say?

If I said what is happening I'd get told I was a conspiracy theorist when the dystopian hellscape of Canada is described. What if a woman who requested disability items in her house was offered Medical Assisted Dying instead? Or a man was killed because he needed a hearing aid?

I mean, the reason that people can't explain what is going on is because it seems too insane to be true. So, go do some of your own research if you are interested. Or don't. It's completely your choice. It is all out there if you care to look.

[gamerchick]

@AlphaB3tty

Thanks posters. I thought I was gonna get loads of negative views.
My PERSONAL view is I don't agree with abortion. HOWEVER, I understand on medical grounds it maybe something to consider, but, don't use it as birth control!
As adults in our right minds we should be able to make our own decisions. If we can decide on DNR when in hospital what difference is assisted dying.

Btw, what's happening in Canada then??

Is that your agenda, to tell us that women shouldn't 'be allowed ' to terminate a pregnancy?

It's nothing to do with you. Allowed indeed.