Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Ethical dilemmas

Help me - Father-in-law cancels Christmas due to covid anxiety

28 replies

Brokenfamily · 25/11/2021 15:47

I’ve made this account to get out of my own think tank on this. I’m so stuck and I really need some views so please let me know what you think.

The long and short of it is that last year my partners dad was told to shield. He has since had the vaccines and booster, my partner and I are also thrice jabbed now. Due to a second marriage, he also has a 14 year old who has also got 2 vaccines now. Him, his wife and daughter who live together will not leave the house without an N99 mask on, they rent out an entire cinema screen for the three of them to take their mask off and eat a hot dog watching a film. They go swimming late on a Friday when the pool is empty and wear their N99 masks until they are about to get into the water. They will only meet us outside (much harder now it’s freezing winter), or if we have completely self isolated (not left the house) for 5 days and then do a negative lateral flow test on day 5. This has become increasingly difficult.

We are a science savvy family and have been following the success of the vaccine. Latest evidence suggest almost 0 per 100,000 per population death if 2 vaccines, and we all have 2 or more. This is not covid risk anymore for him, in my opinion, this is covid anxiety. But he’s not just doing this to himself. The 14 year old is terrified to hug her friends (and hasn’t for nearly 2 years now) she has to wear an N99 mask to school everyday and eats lunch outside. His wife is not allowed to go for a coffee inside at her friends house. They don’t eat indoors except for their own home. His wife wipes down every item that comes from the Tesco delivery with an alcohol wipe. Yes every item. When his wife says can we do a bit more normal stuff - he replies with things like ‘do you want me to die?’. This is so upsetting to watch and we have been trying to reason with the Dad for him to come around to living life more and integrating a bit more, but nothing. There is always another milestone we need to wait for. First it was one vaccine, then 2, then the booster, then 2 vaccines for his daughter, the latest one is to wait until there are 50 per 100000 cases in UK, he is obsessed with the numbers everyday. There are no normal conversations anymore only talk about covid.

To add to the context we have moved cross country from a 6 hour drive to their house to a 7 minute drive to their house this Summer 2021.

Christmas became a non starter because we can’t promise to have self isolated for 5 days due to work and also becoming prisoners to this ruling that we believe is ruled by fear and anxiety. Then we asked if they would want to come over on Boxing Day.. that started world war 3. He wants to bring a special filter fan to our house, he wants to sit on a separate couch, not touch anything and sitting at a dinner table is ‘too close’. We offered to ALL do lateral flow tests but if we can’t self isolate then it isn’t good enough. We declined that ‘offer’ from him as logistically me, my partner and and his grandparents would be sat at the table and what? They would watch us from the sofa eat and play monopoly?….

What do we do? We will spend Christmas alone, the wife and daughter will continue to live in a metaphorical cupboard and there’s no more milestones, we are all vaccinated and need to live our lives?? Wife is too kind and enabling husband to continue this exercising of control on the household. This has to be covid anxiety and not covid risk anymore. This isnt changing. They are talking about yearly boosters. This is life now.

Please advise, is this unreasonable? What would you do?

OP posts:
Floralnomad · 25/11/2021 15:51

It’s his choice , it’s also his wife’s choice to facilitate his behaviour . If they were my family I’d drop the gifts off and leave them to it . I feel sorry for the 14 yo .

LadyDanburysHat · 25/11/2021 15:56

I also feel sorry for the teenager. But there's nothing you can do. You can't reason with this kinds of daftness and anxiety. You just have to have Christmas without them.

Aquamarine1029 · 25/11/2021 16:01

What do we do?

You can't do anything about your FIL, but I would try to support/encourage his wife and daughter to break themselves free from this prison he's created for his family. I would not pander to him, not even a little bit.

BornIn78 · 25/11/2021 16:02

There nothing you can do, just leave them to it. If they choose to exist like that, it’s up to them. I would refuse to discuss anything covid related with any of them, your FIL has seriously lost the plot.

It would have been a miserable Christmas spending it with them. Stick to FaceTiming them occasionally, and enjoy your life in the real world.

Pashazade · 25/11/2021 16:06

I'd invite the wife and daughter to come and enjoy Christmas and then he can pay for them to spend 5 days in a hotel to isolate before they go home. Quite frankly I reckon they'd welcome the break!

MilitantFawcett · 25/11/2021 16:10

I have a friend like this OP. Her 12 year old is having panic attacks about bringing Covid home from school and killing his (double vaxxed and boosted) parents. I don’t think there’s much you can do - he’s anxious and his wife is enabling him.

Salvias · 25/11/2021 16:10

I feel desperately sorry for the child. What he is doing he going to mentally scar her. Poor kid. 😥

Salvias · 25/11/2021 16:12

I doubt there's anything you can do though. He is clearly more concerned about himself dying from Covid than destroying his daughter's mental health.

Mojoj · 25/11/2021 16:13

I would report him to Social Services for causing untold damage to his teenage child. It's abuse. Plain and simple.

MichelleScarn · 25/11/2021 16:24

Are neither of them working? How are they funding life?

Brokenfamily · 25/11/2021 16:32

@MichelleScarn

Are neither of them working? How are they funding life?
They have their own small business so work from home which means they can isolate forever
OP posts:
Magicpaintbrush · 25/11/2021 16:46

My understanding is that children between the ages of 12 and 15 are only allowed to have one dose of the vaccine, so how has his dd had two? Confused

Platax · 25/11/2021 16:47

Your partner needs a serious conversation with his mother and maybe his sister's school about the damage they are doing to her. Is there any chance she could come to live with you?

AlternativePerspective · 25/11/2021 16:59

I’d be encouraging the wife to leave.

Sorry but too many people pander to these kinds of anxieties because they’re afraid of what will happen if they don’t. The wife should take her daughter out of the situation and if he wants to spend the rest of his life in isolation then I’d just wish him well.

And I speak as someone who was told at the beginning of the pandemic that if I caught COVID I was unlikely to survive.

But the truth is we’re all going to die of something, and while I shielded through the lockdowns, I didn’t come through life-saving heart surgery etc and regain my independence to waste it away sitting at home lest I die of COVID.

Invite the wife and daughter to Christmas,and if I were your DH I would tell FIL what an arsehole he was being and would go NC until he got a bloody grip.

ChloeCrocodile · 25/11/2021 17:11

I'd do nothing about your FIL. You can't change him, and I wouldn't be pandering to his nonsense. I would, however, take every opportunity to see your sister in law. She is only 14 and social isolation at that age can have significant consequences. I would hope the school are aware, but it might be worth a quick phone call from DH to make sure.

Beautifully4Dreamer · 27/11/2021 12:45

Last weekend I went to 2 different out door Christmas markets. There were loads of people buying presents & eating & drinking festive food.

During the week, I'm in an air conditioned office, where the windows are unable to be opened

Most people do not want to be stuck at home in covid isolation

I suggest leaving them to their strange rules
Go swimming, but cannot attend a family meal ?

Beautifully4Dreamer · 27/11/2021 12:56

I've also been to an indoor concert & another indoor venue with lots of people

Had to show proof of double vaccine

They don't go out of the home to work
Do they get their shopping delivered

Some of us have no choice, but have to go into work

It would drive me crazy, being stuck inside !

Musicaltheatremum · 16/12/2021 15:28

@Magicpaintbrush

My understanding is that children between the ages of 12 and 15 are only allowed to have one dose of the vaccine, so how has his dd had two? Confused
12-15 year olds can now get a second dose.
Sugarplumfairy65 · 25/12/2021 21:25

You all seem to be under the impression that having 3 vaccines will protect someone who is cev? In actual fact, many people who were shielding because they have blood cancer, have had a transplant or have used a drug called retuximab haven't developed any antibodies to the vaccines and their medical teams have told them to continue to shield. There are about 200k of people in the UK in this situation . It isn't just health anxiety, its real! You just don't hear about it through the media. Its like we've been shoved in a cupboard and forgotten about.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 25/12/2021 21:30

And reading back through some of the replies on here, saying the wife should leave him etc. What a bunch of nasty fuckers you are.

None of you have thought that the wife and daughter may want to protect the father

Smartiepants79 · 25/12/2021 21:33

@Sugarplumfairy65

You all seem to be under the impression that having 3 vaccines will protect someone who is cev? In actual fact, many people who were shielding because they have blood cancer, have had a transplant or have used a drug called retuximab haven't developed any antibodies to the vaccines and their medical teams have told them to continue to shield. There are about 200k of people in the UK in this situation . It isn't just health anxiety, its real! You just don't hear about it through the media. Its like we've been shoved in a cupboard and forgotten about.
Presumably if this was the case in this family the Op would have said that. The issue does remain that at what point do you return to the life you lead before? What this man is doing to his wife and child is almost criminal. Sadly I don’t think there’s anyone outside of the family can do. Continue to support the wife and dD if you can.
PassingByAndThoughtIdDropIn · 25/12/2021 22:01

The OP doesn't necessarily know the full ins and outs of his medical condition. It is quite possible that the vaccines are useless to him, in which case his behaviour is arguably reasonable. They seem from your description to be seeking ways to do things safely rather than using safety as a reason to say no to things, but I agree I feel desperately sorry for their DD.

Shuffleuplove · 25/12/2021 22:06

I have a loved one who lives like this with their spouse and teen. They have created a prison of their lives. Desperately sad.

madisonbridges · 25/12/2021 22:09

My brother has leukaemia and he takes no medication. The doctors have told him there has been a recent report that a third of patients who received both jabs did not have any antibodies, and another third had some antibodies but not enough to give good protection. He has been told to isolate as if he catches the virus, the outcome could be serious. (He can be a drama llama but I think the bare bones are true.) If it's true for his illness, it might be true for other illnesses.

iguanadonna · 25/12/2021 22:20

It's true for my mother's illness. And she has regular Rituximab. She's in the highest risk group. But she is also reacting sanely and enjoying the time she has, given that she's seriously ill and Covid is hardly the only risk in town. Cautious, but aware that activity, exercise, social life are also crucial to health.

So I totally agree, what you are describing is a serious anxiety issue. Lots of people have developed anxiety problems, not surprisingly.

Bugger all you can do about it. Just have to keep behaving reasonably yourself.