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Elderly parents

My dad is making me miserable

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RoseField1 · Yesterday 08:50

He's 75. Mum died 18 months ago. Mum was a wonderful person but also an enabler of my dad and his coercive, controlling, hypercritical, passive aggressive, manipulate behaviour.
For the 5 years or so before she died I had a strategy of minimising exposure to him which was fairly easy with siblings and my mum around. Prior to that he and I would fall out around once a year. He thought I was oversensitive and prickly, I felt I was reacting to his judgement and criticism.
Anyway, since mum died it's gone downhill steeply. I made a massive effort to visit him and call him regularly on the phone since then. I hoster Christmas shortly after she died. My dad stayed too long and on boxing day he decided to go after my DH. He doesn't see it as a big deal because he's used to being able to talk to people how he wants and they put up with it. But DH refused. He left the house and didn't come back until dad was gone. I tried to reconcile them but it went badly and DH was rude to dad and walked out. That's a nutshell without too much detail. Suffice to say my DH has parent related trauma and just wants to be away from it all. I don't blame him, but it does leave me in the crossfire of my dad.
Dad cannot and will not accept that he doesn't want to reconcile. It's far too late for that now anyway - even if he did, there is far too much resentment on dad's side for it to be genuine. But dad won't accept it, and is pressuring me to fix it, and blaming and punishing me when I can't and won't. He doesn't accept that I don't control my DH and won't try.
To be slightly fair to my dad it's only in the last week that he's been told that DH won't agree to try to reconcile. Until now he had been waiting I suppose for me to sort it out. Whereas I have been waiting for him to stop bringing it up. So I have my part to play. But he's honestly being a complete arsehole to me about it. He veers between having a go and telling me not to message him then apologising and then doing it again. I get tricked by his apology into relaxing and then it comes back again.
I am not due to see him until end of August for a family wedding but I'm feeling sick about the situation. I know I'm in FOG and I'm working every day to recondition myself but it's so so hard. And on top of that I feel residual guilt about him being old and lonely.

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RoseField1 · Yesterday 10:53

OneNewEagle · Yesterday 10:02

For your sake can your DH not just sit in a room occasionally with his FIL have a cup of tea just be civil.

myself and my dp both have dreadful toxic families. We are low or no contact with everyone. But over the decades depending on what’s going on the other one will support the person who is seeing their family. Each of us needs that support to be able to get through it.

Over the years just off the top of my head for my DP I’ve stood on a pavement outside a parents house as I wasn’t allowed in, I’ve sat in a room whilst blanked for five hours at least ten times, I’ve been insulted to my face and behind my back, I’ve tolerated one of their parents repeatedly drunk, I have helped one of their parents with an abusive partner, we’ve had a parent live with us. oh and I tried to tolerate comments about me being a single parent and my past but in the end I did have to voice my opinion on that topic as it went too far.

I did all of that for my DP as it’s not his fault. And my family are different and been spectacularly awful to me it’s just aimed at me when he’s with me not him so a little easier.

The point being we get each other through.

No, he won't do it for my sake or any reason. This is non negotiable and I'm not going to pursue it. That ship has well and truly sailed.

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RoseField1 · Yesterday 10:55

Redburnett · Yesterday 10:32

Unless it is a very close relative skip the family wedding, just find any excuse. It is too soon after this latest standoff. And well done to your DH for taking a stand. Fortunately you have siblings so the burden of dealing with DF as he ages will not all fall on you. Unpleasant difficult people generally get worse as they get older so you really need to distance yourself, it might be another 20+ years.

It's a sibling so I really don't want to if I'm honest. It would feel like I was punishing him.

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RoseField1 · Yesterday 10:57

ThePieceHall · Yesterday 10:47

It’s a pity that it’s taken your father 75 years to learn the all-important life lesson that actions have consequences. I admire your DH’s boundaries. Please respect them.

I am. 100%. This is part of what is making dad angry. He doesn't understand why I can't make DH do what he wants him to do and why I won't try. But I already had a marriage where we both felt we had the right to push each other into doing things we didn't want to do (where did I learn that??) and I'm absolutely not doing that again.

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RoseField1 · Yesterday 10:58

OneNewEagle · Yesterday 10:02

For your sake can your DH not just sit in a room occasionally with his FIL have a cup of tea just be civil.

myself and my dp both have dreadful toxic families. We are low or no contact with everyone. But over the decades depending on what’s going on the other one will support the person who is seeing their family. Each of us needs that support to be able to get through it.

Over the years just off the top of my head for my DP I’ve stood on a pavement outside a parents house as I wasn’t allowed in, I’ve sat in a room whilst blanked for five hours at least ten times, I’ve been insulted to my face and behind my back, I’ve tolerated one of their parents repeatedly drunk, I have helped one of their parents with an abusive partner, we’ve had a parent live with us. oh and I tried to tolerate comments about me being a single parent and my past but in the end I did have to voice my opinion on that topic as it went too far.

I did all of that for my DP as it’s not his fault. And my family are different and been spectacularly awful to me it’s just aimed at me when he’s with me not him so a little easier.

The point being we get each other through.

I have re read this post and I think you are doing yourself a huge disservice to put you self through that. I don't think that advising other people's spouses to follow your example is very sensible. I think you should drop the rope yourself, you shouldn't have to put up with that.

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ArabellaWeird · Yesterday 11:05

I think you need to take some time, ideally between now and the wedding to decide where you are comfortable and be prepared to review that and make changes as and when necessary according to DF behaviour.

He's not going to get any easier to deal with, and is likely to get far worse. There is no better time to state your position clearly, why you've come to that conclusion and stick to it. There's no amount of making yourself smaller or more agreeable that will change his behaviour and you will disappear down the crack between your DH and your DF if you let yourself. Center yourself. Stick to that.

Sicario · Yesterday 11:14

Learning as much as you can about FOG and topic family dynamics is really helpful as it gives you insights you may not have recognised and gives you the language to name the behaviours.

Do look up Dr Ramani on YouTube. She is very good.

ThePieceHall · Yesterday 11:15

RoseField1 · Yesterday 10:57

I am. 100%. This is part of what is making dad angry. He doesn't understand why I can't make DH do what he wants him to do and why I won't try. But I already had a marriage where we both felt we had the right to push each other into doing things we didn't want to do (where did I learn that??) and I'm absolutely not doing that again.

Good for you! Your DH is absolutely right. Nobody needs to tolerate abuse or bullying behaviours because elderly or family. I just wouldn’t get involved. And I would take a leaf out of your DH’s book if I were you. It sounds like your father has been enabled to be unpleasant for too many years. And maybe he’s getting the wake-up call he needs before it’s too late?

SingtotheCat · Yesterday 12:59

Tell him to be quiet and that you will not discuss it anymore.
So what? If Dad’s not nice, what does he add to your life. This man has never been told “no”. And now your DH has, because of your Dad’s behaviour.
Please stand up for your DH. Do not allow your dad to punish you. You are the grown up now. Let your Dad have his tantrum when you stand firm.

susiedaisy1912 · Yesterday 13:06

ChurchYardFromMyWindow · Yesterday 09:27

OP I could have written your post word for word right down to the 'oversensitive and prickly' and the ' I get tricked by his apology into relaxing and then it comes back again'. I read your post aghast because it was so familiar.

I feel for you as it is so bloody awful. It feels like a trap.

This point of yours is key I think "I wish it was that easy. It's the entire family fallout that would follow. He's already triangulating me against my siblings. To be fair they aren't buying in but it's so difficult."

This is the Fear part of FOG.
You are only wanting to set boundaries and ask for decent treatment - you're not asking for anything unreasonable and yet you are afraid your siblings will side with him (even though they are not).
Work on this. Talk to your siblings really openly and honestly. Ask for their help. Tell them how it is. Whilst the threat of wider family implications hang over you then you are as isolated and in your dad's thrall as you were when you were 7.

Fill your space. Set your boundaries. Involve your husband and the most straightforward, decent people in your family. Set boundaries.

One smaller/easier thing that worked with my dad was to only ever talk to him about banal stuff - the grey rock thing. I would have a list of nonsense I would talk to him - dogs, football, weather, my friend's new house, my veg patch. At the first sign of him going off on one I would interrupt with, 'OH, remember I told you about Toby, well he chased his ball into the pond in the park on Tuesday............'. The distraction was enough to work.

My dad died suddenly and it all stopped. The relief was intense.
On reflection there was no good way to handle it. He could be a right arsehole.
Put yourself first. You'll never regret it.

You've done nothing to deserve this shit. Don't put up with it.

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Great advice. I do this with my father. The minute he starts ranting about something I listen and don’t respond at all and when he’s finished I just change the subject. Takes all the wind out of his sales. It works , it’s just I have to do it several times every single time I see him as he doesn’t seem to get the message.

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