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Elderly parents

How do I deal with my father's misery and his horrible words?

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BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 11:04

I am really not sure how much more I can take at the moment in time.

My parents are in their early 80's. Mum was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in 2018. I have helped my father with mum (she has several other health problems including breast cancer) since lockdown. Over the years I ended up taking on more and more 'chores' from them and nearly had a breakdown a couple of years ago as I was struggling to take on their work, my work and my home life. I started a thread back then and was advised to scale back. I did this but still visit them 4-5 times a week.

My father did not like me doing this. He has always been someone who will speak his mind with a 'Please or offend' attitude. Over the years he has fallen out with most of his friends (and neighbours). He can say some very scathing and unnecessary things and it's always under the guise of 'Oh, I was just having a laugh with you, you can never take a joke these days' - believe me, some of the things he says are down right nasty and personal and he just can not seem to help himself. He has always been this way and I used to think he was just a jokey kind of guy but I now realise as I have aged that it's not kind or jokey at all, it is always at the expense of the other person. I am still not sure if he does this intentionally or genuinely believes he is being funny. Sadly, I think it may be the former as he usually has a smirk on his face when he delivers such words.

But things were bumping along ok. Mum was ok, she would go to a day centre twice a week which would give dad time to himself, which he needed. Mum had a lovely carer in every morning to hep shower and dress her and between my sister and I we would pop in and check on them and help with whatever needs to be done. It was hard work but we got on ok (ish).

But that all changed 8 weeks ago. Mum fell in the garden, she split her forehead open, broke bones in her hand, dislocated her knee and fractured her neck. She ended up staying in hospital for over 3 weeks. This has been very detrimental to her dementia which very much worsened whilst there. They were allowing mum to soil the bed and wouldn't help her to the commode or toilet. She went into hospital fully continent and is now double incontinent.

She returned home and we honestly though she would die, she was unable to talk, was bed bound and seemed to be giving up but between my sister and I we have managed to find a team of wonderful carers and mum now gets out of bed every day. She is doing so much better although still sadly double incontinent, I doubt this will ever change. Mum is and always has been a very gentle, kind and happy person, she has never said a bad or nasty word during her disease, she has always been such a lovely mother to my sister and I. My mum is not the main source of my stress, never has been.

My dad however, is simply getting more and more bitter, depressed and nasty. I totally understand hence the reason I do so much for him. Yet he does not appear to appreciate it and seems hell bent on making everyone else's life a misery too. He refuses to go to the GP for help, I have spoken to our GP and she says she can help him but obviously I can not make him do this, only advice and he gets angry at me for even suggesting it. He will not speak to a dementia nurse for help/advice either (I speak to them regularly and find them so helpful and understanding). He will constantly say his life is over and no-one else has this kind of bad luck etc. He is 84, he has had a great life doing everything he ever wanted, I only wish I had the life he has lead up till now. He travelled, ate out, was out golfing 3 times a week, riding his motorbike whenever he wanted, saw friends at the weekends and has lots of money. He never once had to care for a parent, both his parents died quickly from old age. He (and my mum) have lived a golden and privileged life. I do feel resentful that he will not reflect on this and seems hellbent on making mine and my sisters life a misery. It feels as though he may as well admit and say 'My ship is going down and I am taking you all down with me'!

I secretly hate going to see them now, he moans about all his neighbours to the point he is obsessed with them, he never has anything nice to say about anyone and will say some very hurtful things. He tells my 19 year old son he is fat and now he won't go visit anymore, dad then he moans that his grandson never sees him (my two dc are his only gc).

I am off this week as my dh has a week of annual leave, he works hard in a very physical job and hasn't had much time off this year. My dad was fully aware we are of this week, I told him and my sister well in advanced and pre-warned them I probably won't be round so much but would pop in whenever I can and his reply was (in a very sarcastic voice) 'Yeah, you really need time off don't you cause you are such a hard worker (with an eyeroll)'. I simply came back with 'Well, yes we do deserve a few days off as we are both frazzled and you know that but you just can not help youself can you dad, you just HAVE to come out with something nasty every time'. He never replied and I never gave him time to reply as I said my goodbyes and left. This was Monday and I haven't seen or spoke to him since (which is unusual for me as I ring if I can't ever get to pop by).

On reflection I am feeling bad for not just walking away and I probably should have kept my mouth shut but I was feeling particulalry unwell on Monday due to my health issues. and I can only take so much, we all have a breaking point. My sister (who will always defend my father as they are very much alike) says I should have just sucked it up and not retaliated but I don't see why I should take constant shit from him when all I am trying to do is help and to try to make his life easier.

How can I deal with this moving forward? Mum will need to go into a care home sooner rather than later there is no dount about that, it is obvious dad can not and does not want to live this way anymore. I know putting mum into a care home will ease a lot of stress for us all but he is moaning constantly how much the private carers coming in 3 times a day is costing him and he will moan even more with the care home fees. My parents will not qualify for any help with care home fees and it will cost an absolute fortune sadly.

But even with mum in care, one of this will stop his bitterness and awfully sharp tongue. I have been reflecting a lot recently over him and am coming to a realisation that he may be quite narcissistic? He does appear to have many of the traits and old age and caring for my poor mum has brought this all to a head.

How do I deal with him moving on without falling out with him? I honestly feel as though I want to run away from it all at times.

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Catpiece · 27/08/2025 15:58

This reminds me of my late father. Essentially had never had to grow up. Indulgent parents. Had a job he loved. My lovely mum ran the home. Don’t think he was particularly interested in kids. Wasn’t horrible but made jokes at our expense. My mum died and my sister and I (as adults) were suddenly thrust together with him with no real connection. He loved us but he was deeply selfish. Anyway he died in his sleep at 86. He lived a charmed life but could never see it. Always moaning about something.

dogcatkitten · 27/08/2025 16:06

I hope you explained to your sister exactly what was said to you. If she thinks it's fine then I would let her take more of the strain where your dad is concerned, perhaps she has a thicker skin. I agree maybe time to get your mum into a home then you can separate the visits, see your mum as often as you want and your dad as much as you can cope with without getting too upset by him. Is some of his behaviour dementia too?

pushthebuttonnn · 27/08/2025 16:43

BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 15:41

I don't think he did get too much of a shock though, going by the text my sister has sent me today it seems he has yet again twisted it round to make himself look like the victim as she says he was very 'upset' because of what I said to him. I have no idea why he would be so upset seeing the words came from his mouth and I simply stood up for myself.

It's exactly as you say, I do all of this for my mum, she has been the best and kindest mum and even though she can't string much of a sentence these days she always knows who I am and was even asking the carers where I was the other day. Every now and then she tells dad to piss off! I have never heard her say anything like that to him pre-dementia. It could of course simply be the dementia talking but she never swears or says anything horrible to me so maybe that speaks volumes? I often wonder now what kind of husband he really has been to her?

Yes I would wonder that too, hopefully he was good to her overall though. I'm sure your dm appreciates everything you do for her which is more important than anything 💞 I would actually start ignoring your df and perhaps throwing the odd snigger in here and there to p**s him off 🤣
Also don't share anything with him , keep shtum about your life. It will give him nothing to go off.

BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 17:08

Catpiece · 27/08/2025 15:58

This reminds me of my late father. Essentially had never had to grow up. Indulgent parents. Had a job he loved. My lovely mum ran the home. Don’t think he was particularly interested in kids. Wasn’t horrible but made jokes at our expense. My mum died and my sister and I (as adults) were suddenly thrust together with him with no real connection. He loved us but he was deeply selfish. Anyway he died in his sleep at 86. He lived a charmed life but could never see it. Always moaning about something.

Sounds very much like my father. He is an only child and lived with my grandparents and his grandmother, he was spoiled rotten, I don't think he ever really grew up either and now he has some big responsibilities on his plate he really struggles and the world is to blame. It has also made me realise just how much my poor mum did for us all.

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BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 17:15

dogcatkitten · 27/08/2025 16:06

I hope you explained to your sister exactly what was said to you. If she thinks it's fine then I would let her take more of the strain where your dad is concerned, perhaps she has a thicker skin. I agree maybe time to get your mum into a home then you can separate the visits, see your mum as often as you want and your dad as much as you can cope with without getting too upset by him. Is some of his behaviour dementia too?

My sister's reply to me was that she wasn't there so she can't comment yet at the same time she is telling me just how upset dad is over it all and that I need to say sorry so that felt very much like she was taking sides to me? She has always been my dad's favourite so he is never as nasty to her.

I have often wondered if he has the beginnings of dementia and this has been one of the reasons why I have allowed him to be this way for a long time but I really don't think so, I appeciate all dementia cases are different but he isn't displaying the same kind of symptoms mum had.....but who knows?

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BruFord · 27/08/2025 17:32

@BobButtonsismycat @Catpiece Yep, my Dad was coddled throughout his life and is finding it difficult being a proper adult since he was widowed. He’s always had women to help him out!

RandomMess · 27/08/2025 18:05

I would remind your sister that you were there and remember exactly what he said and how much it hurt you and he is never as nasty to her, that you are very unwell so won’t be able to help going forward.

You need to step even further back.

Kevinbaconsrealwife · 27/08/2025 18:51

I really, really feel for you ….i too look after my 84 year old dad who is very frail physically…. He is very different to your dad and even as a nice man it’s fucking hard so I just want to send you very UnMN hugs and support…. Xx

Kevinbaconsrealwife · 27/08/2025 18:53

Also, I know it’s very very easy for me to say but your sister can seriously fuck off with her comments….xx

Purplecatshopaholic · 27/08/2025 19:01

Jeezo, your sister should keep her nose out and her trap shut! Dont you dare apologise to him. You need to stand up for yourself every single time he starts. Seriously, you need to take a major step back and let your golden sis sort things.

BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 21:18

Kevinbaconsrealwife · 27/08/2025 18:51

I really, really feel for you ….i too look after my 84 year old dad who is very frail physically…. He is very different to your dad and even as a nice man it’s fucking hard so I just want to send you very UnMN hugs and support…. Xx

Thank you. Life would be so much easier going if my dad was too. I do love him very much but his nasty ways really drain any empathy I have for him at times.

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dagoo · 27/08/2025 22:26

I absolutely agree with those who have said that you must find a good home for your mum and step back. I really do know that feeling of being on the edge both physically and emotionally. It's so important that you protect your health.

OneSharpFinch · 27/08/2025 22:32

Honestly - stop pampering to him, stand up to him, tell him off and I bet he will behave - otherwise your justified resentment will destroy your love for him.

Derbee · 28/08/2025 13:07

I think you need boundaries with your dad AND your sister. Perhaps the only way she will acknowledge your father’s unacceptable behaviour towards you, is if it personally affects her.

As in, you step back and stop engaging with him. Your sister will have to do it all. She will realise how much she needs your support with y our t father’s care, and encourage him to behave better towards you?

Catpiece · 28/08/2025 13:54

BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 17:08

Sounds very much like my father. He is an only child and lived with my grandparents and his grandmother, he was spoiled rotten, I don't think he ever really grew up either and now he has some big responsibilities on his plate he really struggles and the world is to blame. It has also made me realise just how much my poor mum did for us all.

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My sister and I described him as like dealing with a toddler. He wasn’t a horrible bloke. He was just deeply selfish. My dh used to say oh it’s his age. I knew it wasn’t. I grew up with him. He was always like it.

Nearly50omg · 28/08/2025 14:18

Get your mom into a care home and then never visit or do anything for this nasty man EVER again!! He’s abusive and narcissistic and using you and your family as punching bags. You don’t have to put up with this

BruFord · 28/08/2025 17:14

My sister and I described him as like dealing with a toddler. He wasn’t a horrible bloke.

@Catpiece Yes! My DD has described my Dad as a toddler. Especially when he’s hungry, he’s such a baby and then he’s so happy when he gets food. 😂

SharkAttacked · 28/08/2025 17:21

Why on earth do you feel like you should keep your mouth shut? Why are you accepting this behaviour from him? It sounds like he has had a lifetime of entitled behaviour being enabled by the women around him. If your sister is happy to continue in this vein then leave her to it: your relationship with your dad is none of her business.

In your shoes I would just stop providing care/support. Every minute you spend with him is a minute less spent with your children-why should you all suffer for him?

SharkAttacked · 28/08/2025 17:25

BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 13:29

Thank you for your replies.

I am heading towards breakdown, I can feel it physically and mentally.

I need to form some strategy to cope with the future.

My sister has just texted me to say she saw dad yesterday and says HE was very upset because of what was said! He loves to twist things and make himself the victim, he does this every sodding time and now my sister is blaming me when all I did was to remind him dh and I were out and about this week and I couldn't say which days I'd pop by and dad cane back with his nasty reply. How does that make me the bad guy?

I would lean into this: agree with them that what you said was nasty and hurtful and as such you understand if your dad doesn’t want you to provide any care anymore because you are at the end of your rope and can’t control your behaviour. Then your sister will need to step in won’t she? Be happy to be the bad guy if it gives you peace and rest.

Catpiece · 28/08/2025 19:25

BruFord · 28/08/2025 17:14

My sister and I described him as like dealing with a toddler. He wasn’t a horrible bloke.

@Catpiece Yes! My DD has described my Dad as a toddler. Especially when he’s hungry, he’s such a baby and then he’s so happy when he gets food. 😂

Snap! 😂

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/08/2025 19:33

Toddlers grow up however

Dealing with a narcissist is like dealing with a child of around six years of age; their emotional development stymied then. You are the scapegoat whereby your sister is the golden child. I’d be stepping right back re your dad and particularly so after your mother goes into a care home.

myplace · 28/08/2025 21:32

So, stop thinking about this in terms of a relationship. It’s not. It’s a situation. You need strategies to manage the situation.

Key sentences that you repeat as often as necessary-
I can’t do that, I’m unwell, waiting for that operation.
That’s a shame dad, it must be very frustrating.
Unfortunately he was too cross to listen, Sis. Perhaps you could try.
Oh dear. Obviously I can’t, I need to look after myself while I wait for my op/recover from my op.
I tried, Sis. Hopefully he’ll listen to you.

Just rotate them around a bit. The people you are talking to aren’t actually listening, just processing what’s relevant to them.

All you need to do is repeat the phrases and make yourself scarce. Do what’s convenient to you but that’s all.

dagoo · 28/08/2025 22:44

myplace · 28/08/2025 21:32

So, stop thinking about this in terms of a relationship. It’s not. It’s a situation. You need strategies to manage the situation.

Key sentences that you repeat as often as necessary-
I can’t do that, I’m unwell, waiting for that operation.
That’s a shame dad, it must be very frustrating.
Unfortunately he was too cross to listen, Sis. Perhaps you could try.
Oh dear. Obviously I can’t, I need to look after myself while I wait for my op/recover from my op.
I tried, Sis. Hopefully he’ll listen to you.

Just rotate them around a bit. The people you are talking to aren’t actually listening, just processing what’s relevant to them.

All you need to do is repeat the phrases and make yourself scarce. Do what’s convenient to you but that’s all.

Bloody hell I think this is the best advice I've ever read anywhere let alone on Mumsnet.

Applicable to so many situations

OLDERME · 28/08/2025 22:47

Yes, I completely agree with my place

thepariscrimefiles · 29/08/2025 08:08

BobButtonsismycat · 27/08/2025 13:29

Thank you for your replies.

I am heading towards breakdown, I can feel it physically and mentally.

I need to form some strategy to cope with the future.

My sister has just texted me to say she saw dad yesterday and says HE was very upset because of what was said! He loves to twist things and make himself the victim, he does this every sodding time and now my sister is blaming me when all I did was to remind him dh and I were out and about this week and I couldn't say which days I'd pop by and dad cane back with his nasty reply. How does that make me the bad guy?

Your dad is a horrible person full stop. Your sister sounds as though she is a chip off the old block.

You need to get your mum into residential care and then leave your dad and sister to it. He doesn't get to be cruel and rude yet expect to have you at his beck and call.

You know that you have done absolutely nothing wrong. You have provided your parents with care and support to the detriment of your own family, health and well being. What sort of grandfather insults his grandchildren in the way that your father has done to your son? He is a selfish narcissist and will never change.

Your priorities should be getting your mum's care sorted out and then concentrating on your own family. Your sister can support your dad as they are kindred spirits in spite and nastiness.

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