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Elderly parents

Yet another "the oldie has capacity" discussion

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BeaTwix · 29/05/2025 23:29

The oldie is back in hospital. Not been answering phone or messaging family. I initially tried to ring the ward every day but it's hard as you can never speak to the right nurse and they never phone you back. I asked my siblings to help out but they felt it was unnecessary.

Ergo as I've been busy with work this week (I did a couple of on calls and a day in our basement operating theatre with crap phone reception) it dropped off and I hadn't spoken to the nursing team for about 5 days.

Finally got hold of her nurse to be told the oldies discharge planning is well underway. When I queried why no-one had contacted me I was told there was no need as they had spoken to the oldie.

I am SO frustrated I've raised TWO complaints with the same trust about her last two discharges when they did this and I spoke to the nurses on admission about how important it was to keep me in the loop.

Oldie has a good social facade but there is very little cognitive action behind the scenes. I'm doing all finances, grocery shopping etc. these days. We are still waiting for a cognitive assessment because there is a two year waiting list that oldie only joined 6 months after I raised concerns as the GP dismissed me initially.

I've also messaged the oldie daily to remind them to get the staff to loop me into the discussions so I can sort groceries etc and make sure their discharge medication isn't going to be a shit show again. Nurse looking after her didn't even know I exist - this is a recurrent sore point when they ask her about her family she always tells them she has none as her parents and husband are dead. Those of us who are living and involved albeit more distant relations apparently aren't even worth mentioning!

Hilariously 2 hours after my rather pointed conversation I got another call from the nursing team - they had just worked out the Oldie has no shoes in hospital as she had forgotten to take any with her. I was coincidentally in town when she went into hospital and went to her house to collect other stuff I knew she was missing (thanks AirTags) before visiting. I asked her if she needed anything. No mention of missing shoes.

So I only discovered that she had no shoes after I got to the hospital. Sadly this was only 8 hours before I got a train 400 miles home and I had no time to go rectify the situation. I didn't rush to sort this out as I was kind of hoping she could just go home in slippers. But apparently the physio team needed her in shoes.

So I persuaded one of my friend's very helpful teenagers to go to her house and collect the shoes. When I asked the oldie if she needed anything else brought in to the hospital from her house she then gave me a full on shopping list including two ready meals and a punnet of strawberries! It transpired she was disorientated to time and place ( thought it was Saturday and she was at home hence needing groceries). Teenager then told me she didn't know who he was. He has been her tech support for the past year and has seen her at least once a month, sometimes more. He is a lovely lad and always stops to have tea, cake and a chat.

Honestly, how do the staff keep missing how confused she is??

OP posts:
Lightuptheroom · 30/05/2025 01:39

Ah.. yes... because no one seems to write anything down? My dear dad is currently in hospital with amongst other things post operative delirium.. They seem to have a problem remembering that his 'baseline' wasn't talking non stop 24/7 about the fact he thinks he's living with various different people, has no knowledge whatsoever of why he's in hospital (fractured hip, you'd think he'd notice) or indeed that he's actually in hospital at all... last week I received a call from the discharge Co ordinator who admitted half way through our conversation she hadn't met him yet but she liked to be 'ahead of the game' and not to worry because he wasn't 'clinically fit' for discharge yet..rather alarming when an earlier call from the nursing team was to seek permission to place him on a palliative care pathway.
I feel your pain, I'm not sure why geriatric medicine and care is substandard but it's happening in so many places

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 03:41

Sorry. Can’t get past the total lack of courtesy calling her “the oldie”.

EmotionalBlackmail · 30/05/2025 08:23

None of the staff will be spending enough time with her to get an idea that she’s not got much idea what’s going on. She could be telling them anything about managing at home but they can’t see the reality. Presumably they each have several patients to keep an eye on so haven’t got time to spend with one? It’s only when someone spends more time with them that things like repetition of stories, implausible activities or saying they will do something but it never happening becomes more obvious.

vodkaredbullgirl · 30/05/2025 08:28

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 03:41

Sorry. Can’t get past the total lack of courtesy calling her “the oldie”.

That's what I was thinking.

screwyou · 30/05/2025 08:29

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 03:41

Sorry. Can’t get past the total lack of courtesy calling her “the oldie”.

Me three it reads terribly.

XiCi · 30/05/2025 08:31

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 03:41

Sorry. Can’t get past the total lack of courtesy calling her “the oldie”.

Awful and completely dehumanising. Can't even finish reading the OP. Just why?

OMGitsnotgood · 30/05/2025 08:36

Yeah I am always happy to share experiences I’ve had in similar situations with my Mum, but not with someone who refers to their parent as ‘the oldie’.

alongtimeagoandfaraway · 30/05/2025 08:44

‘The Oldie’ totally disrespectful. I understand the frustration but really uncomfortable with how you refer to her.

Lollypop701 · 30/05/2025 08:51

It doesn’t sound like it’s op’s parent, but even if it is it doesn’t mean they are being unkind, I have silly nicknames for family members. The use of One word you disagree with shouldn’t define a post!

unfortunately op if you are noon the ground at a hospital to fight their corner then I find hospital discharge is a nightmare. They just want to discharge them once the medical issue is resolved. They understandably need the bed.

Also the nursing staff don’t know what the patient was like pre admission and if they talk like they know what they are doing this is run with. It’s not unusual for people to take a downturn cognitively after a hospital stay unfortunately so she may need a lot more help after discharge. If you have concerns then you really need to push it with the discharge team, that there is no local support and a relevant support package needs to be in place… we were on the ground and my DMIL was dropped home to a cold house without our knowledge and ended straight back in when she fell… it’s a nightmare

EmotionalBlackmail · 30/05/2025 09:02

The OP has posted before. The “Oldie” isn’t a parent, but a more distant relative. And I think it was more of a term of endearment!

FinallyMovingHouse · 30/05/2025 09:05

Just to go against the group somewhat here, my Dsis calls my parents 'the oldies' and it is meant as a term of endearment. They call themselves that too now and very much like it.

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 09:07

EmotionalBlackmail · 30/05/2025 09:02

The OP has posted before. The “Oldie” isn’t a parent, but a more distant relative. And I think it was more of a term of endearment!

Don’t care. Give her a name.

SendBooksAndTea · 30/05/2025 09:18

My aunt asks to be called oldie, for us it's a term of gentle endearment. Maybe op is the same.

Mischance · 30/05/2025 09:24

I cannot engage with someone who refers to an elderly relative as the "oldie".

When your turn comes I hope your family will have a better attitude.

It sounds as though you work in the health service - poor patients is all I can think.

Ukholidaysaregreat · 30/05/2025 09:25

The OP is writing for help and support not for a total de rail on a name she is using as everyone on Mumsnet uses DP or OP.

vodkaredbullgirl · 30/05/2025 09:30

Ukholidaysaregreat · 30/05/2025 09:25

The OP is writing for help and support not for a total de rail on a name she is using as everyone on Mumsnet uses DP or OP.

Come on those are ok, but oldie.

Zanzara · 30/05/2025 09:33

Ukholidaysaregreat · 30/05/2025 09:25

The OP is writing for help and support not for a total de rail on a name she is using as everyone on Mumsnet uses DP or OP.

Well I'm sorry but she's going to get one. Utterly appalling thread title and she's carried on with term. Not worth bothering to help, I'm afraid. Perhaps she should have the thread deleted and then repost after a suitable period of reflection.

cheesycheesy · 30/05/2025 09:34

The oldie. Come on now, how rude and disrespectful

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 09:35

@BeaTwixCan I suggest you ask for this thread to be deleted and repost using different language? Give her a name.

cheesycheesy · 30/05/2025 09:36

Ukholidaysaregreat · 30/05/2025 09:25

The OP is writing for help and support not for a total de rail on a name she is using as everyone on Mumsnet uses DP or OP.

It’s no way similar to oldie

EmotionalBlackmail · 30/05/2025 09:37

Can you not just ignore the thread if you don’t like it? The OP posted for help and support using a term she’s (I’m presuming she) used in the past for her elderly relative.

Choosechoclate · 30/05/2025 09:37

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 09:35

@BeaTwixCan I suggest you ask for this thread to be deleted and repost using different language? Give her a name.

Edited

You’re not being very helpful.
This is a common problem that I would like to see discussed.

Choosechoclate · 30/05/2025 09:38

CurlewKate · 30/05/2025 09:35

@BeaTwixCan I suggest you ask for this thread to be deleted and repost using different language? Give her a name.

Edited

Start your own thread.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/05/2025 09:44

FinallyMovingHouse · 30/05/2025 09:05

Just to go against the group somewhat here, my Dsis calls my parents 'the oldies' and it is meant as a term of endearment. They call themselves that too now and very much like it.

My husband and his siblings call their parents ‘the olds’.

What’s the point in making a comment about how you’re not going to make a comment? 🤷🏻‍♀️

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/05/2025 09:44

FinallyMovingHouse · 30/05/2025 09:05

Just to go against the group somewhat here, my Dsis calls my parents 'the oldies' and it is meant as a term of endearment. They call themselves that too now and very much like it.

My husband and his siblings call their parents ‘the olds’.

What’s the point in making a comment about how you’re not going to make a comment? 🤷🏻‍♀️