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CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 15:29

Looking for help on what I can do with this stressful situation. I’m sorry it’s a long read.
Background – my 40-year-old brother is living at home with my parents. Always has done with the exception of being away for work prior to the covid pandemic. I don’t want to give too much info away as fear it would identify us (little chance I know, but I’m paranoid). Anyway, he worked in the music industry where he was always travelling mostly to the USA, so to be honest, he was hardly back here in the UK. He had a partner out there, and before Covid hit, he was in the process of applying for the nest level visa up to allow him to move out there for work (I’m not 100% on this part). But he split with his partner, claims he was raped by her, sexually and financially abused. Since he has been home in March 2020, he has still managed to work virtually, but work is not as fast coming in, but he still has an income and also patreon too. I’m not sure on the full amount he receives, but it’s not masses, but above any threshold to claim benefits.
So, since March 2020, he has regularly been experiencing really bad mental health issues. He says he is depressed, wishes to end his life (but too scared to), and has been on medication from the Dr and trialled other types which don’t seem to help him. He has regular episodes, at least once a month that last anywhere between a couple of days – 2 weeks, where he is utterly vile to my parents, destroys the house (punching holes in walls, damaging furniture, chucking wine about). One episode, he will ignore my mum, the next, it will be my dad and its just horrible being around him. He screams and shouts that he was a battered child (I can honestly say I never saw anything like that, I wasn’t battered by my parents, literally a smacked bum when naughty growing up (as was accepted then)). We were adopted as babies, literally around 3 months old. Parents always open and honest with it, but he uses this against them too, claims he has adoption trauma from it all and blames my parents from taking him away from his biological mother. (She was 14 at the time of birth and she wanted the adoption so my brother could have a better life). I too am adopted, parents always open and honest, always told us how loved and special we are etc and honestly, we got everything we could ever want growing up. Not love bombed etc. We both had a good childhood as far as I know.
My brother is very musically talented so a lot of weekends were spent with my dad taking my brother to his gigs etc and honestly, even to this day, when he talks about my brother, it’s always to say about what he does for work, how talented he is and how proud he is.
But back to current day and these episodes. Parents have asked him to move out – he refused. My parents offered to buy him a house (as part of their estate). He refused (…I know…!!). He says he will never move out and his lifelong dream is to stay in the family home. My parents want to downsize as the house is too big for them now. When my parents explored moving, he hit the roof and went on hunger strike etc for 3 weeks. He said he wants the house. At this point, in my parents wills, in the event of their death, the house will need to be sold with 50/50 to me and my brother. He said he wants this house and will do anything possible to make sure that happens. He couldn’t get a mortgage for it. My husband and I couldn’t get a mortgage on it with our joint income as we couldn’t afford to, so what hope has my brother got?
My parents want to sell the house soon so that (in their words) I don’t have the issue of evicting him and dealing with the fall out). He said he will only ever leave the house if he is 6 feet under. I don’t need the money from the sale of the house, but it will go into trust for my son when he is older.
When he is in his episodes and destroying the house, my parents have called the police for help, they’ve called 111 for NHS mental health crisis team and honestly no one helps. The big problem we have is that he just switches the mood off and is all fine and charming to the police/NHS staff. So, whilst I agree he has an underlying MH issue, I don’t think it’s anything uncontrollable like bipolar etc, plus the doctors haven’t diagnosed him with anything. Social Work are not interested either,
He is refusing to move out, says he has no where to go, no friends to stay with and is lonely (His only friend is his weed dealer…), but he screams and threatens suicide. My parents (in their 70s) are broken and cry to me with stress. They are scared he will commit suicide and cannot deal with the guilt if he did so.
I have suggested the next step is to contact a lawyer and get an official, legal eviction notice and when he refuses to leave, the police are called. Is that right?
What can we do? My parents are verging on a breakdown. My dad now has heart issues and needs to keep calm, but he cannot do this when he is literally a prisoner in his own home,

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xmasdealhunter · 21/05/2025 16:12

Is he getting any type of mental health support at all? If he's been sexually and financially abused by his partner he needs help (Not that this excuses the way he is treating your parents- it absolutely doesn't- but therapy might help him to behave more reasonably and rationally). Could they issue the ultimatum- either he agrees to engage with therapy or you go through with legal proceedings to evict him and he can sort out where he's living?
SurvivorsUK offer counselling both online and in person (if you're in London) for free. If you're in London they also offer help finding housing etc. He might be more inclined to listen to someone independent of the family. SurvivorsUK | Get Help 18+. Andy's Mans club also have groups all over the UK which could prove useful ANDYSMANCLUB - It's Okay To Talk.

MissMoneyFairy · 21/05/2025 16:21

Do they record his outbursts, are there. Cameras in the house, I'd call the police or 999 every single time, tell the authorities he is threatening and abusive and has to leave, contact a domestic violence charity for support and the police need to help ensuring your parents safety., what makes anyone sure he has a mental health disorder and isn't just a manipulative bully, maybe he has some sort of personality disorder but that doesn't mean your parents have to live in fear.

Bannedontherun · 21/05/2025 16:33

Firstly a man can not be raped by a biological female that is pure nonsense, or he was with a biological male in the USA

Mental health problems are no excuse for the abuse he is meeting out to his parents.

Legally he has not right to occupy his parents home and they do not have to evict him, they could just lock him out as he has less of a status than a lodger.

If he attempts to renter they just call the police.

Finally because of his refusal to leave, and his abuse and criminal damage to the property your parents could secure a non molestation order and an injunction to remove him from the house.

If your parents cannot or will not do this nobody can intervene or help them except perhaps you.

mathanxiety · 21/05/2025 16:38

You need to plan with your dad and mum that the next time he kicks off, one of them will immediately call the police.

If that isn't possible, one of them needs to immediately contact you and you MUST then call the police

They need to be willing to press charges and get a restraining order.

Do not waste time wringing your hands here and tell your parents they can't let this go on.

I would strongly suspect your brother was kicked out of the US for drug use or refused a visa because of a psychotic episode.

The brother is a clear danger to your parents. Please implore them to get tough.

CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 16:39

He sought counselling for a while but did not engage with it and I suspect he did not tell the full story. when police have been called before, he's so good at downplaying it and saying "I have no idea why you have been called, we had a slight disagreement" and the police leave. They have called 999 before and told its not life or death, or by the time they arrive, things have calmed down.

My parents don't want me doing anything as they are scared of the consequences, i.e., threatening suicide. He told me he attempted it whilst out in America, but said he didn't realise he had to pull back the hammer on the gun.... I personally don't believe this, and is part of his manipulation.

He claims hes trapped at my parents house, but it's his own doing, ffs, my parents offered to buy him a house...!! I'd have bitten my parents hand for that offer!

We are up in Scotland, but he claims hes called helplines and they do not help him, all that he needs is for his parents to understand him, yet he doesn't talk to them, he just inflicts verbal abuse upon them and calls them all sorts, child beaters etc.

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CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 16:43

mathanxiety · 21/05/2025 16:38

You need to plan with your dad and mum that the next time he kicks off, one of them will immediately call the police.

If that isn't possible, one of them needs to immediately contact you and you MUST then call the police

They need to be willing to press charges and get a restraining order.

Do not waste time wringing your hands here and tell your parents they can't let this go on.

I would strongly suspect your brother was kicked out of the US for drug use or refused a visa because of a psychotic episode.

The brother is a clear danger to your parents. Please implore them to get tough.

He hasn't been kicked out of the US. It was himself who stopped the visa process as he wasn't sure when he would next be back over to proceed with it during the lockdown. He also split with his partner too. He has been over to the US 2 or 3 times since then for short visits and has his work visa granted. He was mostly in LA which is a state that has legalised weed use, so not breaking rules and he never travelled with any.

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CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 16:50

MissMoneyFairy · 21/05/2025 16:21

Do they record his outbursts, are there. Cameras in the house, I'd call the police or 999 every single time, tell the authorities he is threatening and abusive and has to leave, contact a domestic violence charity for support and the police need to help ensuring your parents safety., what makes anyone sure he has a mental health disorder and isn't just a manipulative bully, maybe he has some sort of personality disorder but that doesn't mean your parents have to live in fear.

Oh and yes, there are cameras and they have recordings and photos of damage he has done.

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CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 16:54

Sorry, one more thing to add is that he now refuses to seek help as he believes my parents are the problem and not him (I'm not sure how he reached that conclusion).

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MissMoneyFairy · 21/05/2025 17:06

Does he contribute financially to the home

Arran2024 · 21/05/2025 17:06

I'm an adopter and sadly some adoptees never really get over the trauma of being adopted. It's known as the "primal wound". I don't know the Scottish adoption situation as I'm in England and I know it's very different, but anyway, if he does have any counselling it should be with an adoption informed therapist. Non informed therapists can make assumptions and go down roads that are completely inappropriate based on their own ideas around adoption, which may be based on popular culture like Long Lost Families rather than on research.

I would suggest you get in touch with a domestic violence support line for advice on the violence and the house.

Also, they might like to look at something called NVR, which is the parenting technique recommended for cases of adult children who behave like this. It stands for Non Violent Resistance.

I know many adoptive families suffering abusive behaviour from a child they adopted. It is sadly relatively common. Your parents are not alone xx

PussInBin20 · 21/05/2025 19:37

I would seek legal advice via Solicitors if I was you to start eviction proceedings but if your parents won’t follow through with it then I don’t see what can be done.

If he won’t move out and they won’t do anything to get him out, then nothing will change.

And he’s just being manipulative- using mental illness to his benefit which is obviously working quite a treat.

Sorry, it must be hard for you to watch this un fold but he is a grown adult who needs to stand on his own feet. I very much doubt he will carry out his threat of suicide.

Ellephanting · 21/05/2025 19:41

MissMoneyFairy · 21/05/2025 16:21

Do they record his outbursts, are there. Cameras in the house, I'd call the police or 999 every single time, tell the authorities he is threatening and abusive and has to leave, contact a domestic violence charity for support and the police need to help ensuring your parents safety., what makes anyone sure he has a mental health disorder and isn't just a manipulative bully, maybe he has some sort of personality disorder but that doesn't mean your parents have to live in fear.

This pretty much nails it.

mathanxiety · 21/05/2025 20:33

CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 16:50

Oh and yes, there are cameras and they have recordings and photos of damage he has done.

Then they need to take everything they have to the police and ask for help getting an occupancy order and a non mol order.

They could also consider Women's Aid - 0808 2000 247.
WA could help them through the process of getting DB out and keeping him out.

You are definitely not getting the full story of his experiences in the US.

MarySueSaidBoo · 21/05/2025 20:35

Can you get social services involved? They are vulnerable and being abused in their own home.

CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 21:23

yes they have cameras in the house which have picked up his outbursts etc and police aren’t interested as it’s not life or death situation which I think is shocking!!

social services not helpful at all. Literally no one is helping them, door after door closed in their faces. What will it take for action to be taken? A death? Cause at this rate, my mum will have a nervous breakdown and my dad will have a heart attack.

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Bannedontherun · 21/05/2025 21:39

@CruisingDuck as stated up thread external agencies cannot intervene if your parents have capacity and will not help themselves. I really do not understand what you want these agencies to do, if your parents come to harm it is on you, your brother and parents.

CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 21:57

I have never said they won’t help themselves…. Hence why I am here posting and asking for help. I asked if the route of going to see a lawyer for a formal eviction notice would work…

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Bannedontherun · 21/05/2025 22:14

@CruisingDuck Up thread i explained that they can just chuck him out, but that they may need to seek legal protection such as a non mol order.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/05/2025 22:35

He's abusive and your parents can call Hourglass which is 24/7. They can apply for a non molestation order and occupation order to get him away from them.
https://wearehourglass.org/

They can also contact the National Domestic Abuse helpline which is 24/7.

They can get free legal advice from Rights of Women.

Hourglass

Hourglass works to challenge and prevent the abuse of older people, through the provision of services, training

https://wearehourglass.org

Sunholidays · 21/05/2025 22:46

To be honest I’d seriously consider moving your parents out and leaving your brother there to live by himself. See how long he lasts without money.

Orangemintcream · 21/05/2025 22:51

Does he ever leave the house ? They can just get the locks changed then if he does.

HaloDolly · 22/05/2025 07:23

I think it’s the threat of suicide that panics them into submission. My heart goes out to you and your parents Cruisingduck, what an awful situation. I also think you might get more support from adoption related agencies who understand the impact on adult adoptees. You parents might benefit from some counselling for themselves to help them understand your brother’s behaviour and find ways to navigate it, even if that means eviction. If they able to manage their own emotions around his behaviour they might feel more confident to do that. It is domestic violence - maybe get in touch with one of the helplines and talk to them? Just for advice.

MissMoneyFairy · 22/05/2025 08:18

Bannedontherun · 21/05/2025 21:39

@CruisingDuck as stated up thread external agencies cannot intervene if your parents have capacity and will not help themselves. I really do not understand what you want these agencies to do, if your parents come to harm it is on you, your brother and parents.

That's pretty nasty to victim blame, have you ever been scared of someone who is manipulative and threatening. Now would be a good time for your parents to have their wills and poa stored safely so that there's no future arguments about the house. Does brother contribute financially, your parents need to keep calling the police, have they spoken to their GP, living with a unstable stoner who has been served an eviction notice won't be easy, they need him out before he kicks off again. I'd go to the senior police officer for the dream domestic abuse and social services again,

Bannedontherun · 22/05/2025 08:45

@MissMoneyFairy No it is not victim blaming at all. I worked in DVA services for many years. It is very frustrating when victims do not want take up help and support offered, as nobody can help in such a situation.

It is very common for older people with this type of perpetrator, to refuse to do things that would help. We used to receive repeat referrals like this situation and whatever help was offered would always be replied to with I cannot do this or that, i just want you to make him stop.

Victims do have help themselves in such situations, and when ready to do so services can and will help

MissMoneyFairy · 22/05/2025 09:29

Bannedontherun, what advice would you give op