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CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 15:29

Looking for help on what I can do with this stressful situation. I’m sorry it’s a long read.
Background – my 40-year-old brother is living at home with my parents. Always has done with the exception of being away for work prior to the covid pandemic. I don’t want to give too much info away as fear it would identify us (little chance I know, but I’m paranoid). Anyway, he worked in the music industry where he was always travelling mostly to the USA, so to be honest, he was hardly back here in the UK. He had a partner out there, and before Covid hit, he was in the process of applying for the nest level visa up to allow him to move out there for work (I’m not 100% on this part). But he split with his partner, claims he was raped by her, sexually and financially abused. Since he has been home in March 2020, he has still managed to work virtually, but work is not as fast coming in, but he still has an income and also patreon too. I’m not sure on the full amount he receives, but it’s not masses, but above any threshold to claim benefits.
So, since March 2020, he has regularly been experiencing really bad mental health issues. He says he is depressed, wishes to end his life (but too scared to), and has been on medication from the Dr and trialled other types which don’t seem to help him. He has regular episodes, at least once a month that last anywhere between a couple of days – 2 weeks, where he is utterly vile to my parents, destroys the house (punching holes in walls, damaging furniture, chucking wine about). One episode, he will ignore my mum, the next, it will be my dad and its just horrible being around him. He screams and shouts that he was a battered child (I can honestly say I never saw anything like that, I wasn’t battered by my parents, literally a smacked bum when naughty growing up (as was accepted then)). We were adopted as babies, literally around 3 months old. Parents always open and honest with it, but he uses this against them too, claims he has adoption trauma from it all and blames my parents from taking him away from his biological mother. (She was 14 at the time of birth and she wanted the adoption so my brother could have a better life). I too am adopted, parents always open and honest, always told us how loved and special we are etc and honestly, we got everything we could ever want growing up. Not love bombed etc. We both had a good childhood as far as I know.
My brother is very musically talented so a lot of weekends were spent with my dad taking my brother to his gigs etc and honestly, even to this day, when he talks about my brother, it’s always to say about what he does for work, how talented he is and how proud he is.
But back to current day and these episodes. Parents have asked him to move out – he refused. My parents offered to buy him a house (as part of their estate). He refused (…I know…!!). He says he will never move out and his lifelong dream is to stay in the family home. My parents want to downsize as the house is too big for them now. When my parents explored moving, he hit the roof and went on hunger strike etc for 3 weeks. He said he wants the house. At this point, in my parents wills, in the event of their death, the house will need to be sold with 50/50 to me and my brother. He said he wants this house and will do anything possible to make sure that happens. He couldn’t get a mortgage for it. My husband and I couldn’t get a mortgage on it with our joint income as we couldn’t afford to, so what hope has my brother got?
My parents want to sell the house soon so that (in their words) I don’t have the issue of evicting him and dealing with the fall out). He said he will only ever leave the house if he is 6 feet under. I don’t need the money from the sale of the house, but it will go into trust for my son when he is older.
When he is in his episodes and destroying the house, my parents have called the police for help, they’ve called 111 for NHS mental health crisis team and honestly no one helps. The big problem we have is that he just switches the mood off and is all fine and charming to the police/NHS staff. So, whilst I agree he has an underlying MH issue, I don’t think it’s anything uncontrollable like bipolar etc, plus the doctors haven’t diagnosed him with anything. Social Work are not interested either,
He is refusing to move out, says he has no where to go, no friends to stay with and is lonely (His only friend is his weed dealer…), but he screams and threatens suicide. My parents (in their 70s) are broken and cry to me with stress. They are scared he will commit suicide and cannot deal with the guilt if he did so.
I have suggested the next step is to contact a lawyer and get an official, legal eviction notice and when he refuses to leave, the police are called. Is that right?
What can we do? My parents are verging on a breakdown. My dad now has heart issues and needs to keep calm, but he cannot do this when he is literally a prisoner in his own home,

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CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 09:33

MissMoneyFairy · 12/06/2025 09:31

Has he ever been diagnosed?

Nope because he refuses to engage with services. Even health related, last year he had to go to hospital with suspected stomach ulcers etc, but he refused the endoscopy, so that was the end of that.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/06/2025 09:33

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 09:33

Nope because he refuses to engage with services. Even health related, last year he had to go to hospital with suspected stomach ulcers etc, but he refused the endoscopy, so that was the end of that.

What has he done in order to be sectioned?

FortyElephants · 12/06/2025 09:45

I wouldn't rely on him getting sectioned and even if he did I don't think it would solve the issues. Your parents need to change the locks while he's out, install cameras on the doors and windows if they don't already have them and inform him he cannot come back. If they have the financial means they could book him a hotel room for a couple of weeks while he gets used to the idea and calms down in order to have a sensible discussion with them. Or if he won't do that, he will escalate his behaviour to the point that services will have to step in.

MissMoneyFairy · 12/06/2025 09:51

Forget the mh detaining then, call the 999 when he starts smashing up the house and abusing two elderly vulnerable people.

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 11:00

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/06/2025 09:33

What has he done in order to be sectioned?

Now this is the police and clinician from the ambulance service's opinion. but he is displaying signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder or psychosis, which requires a MH assessment. This is why the emergency ambulance was dispatched yesterday with police asked to be in attendance, and hence why he was taken to the hospital for assessment, yet when he was taken to A&E and triaged there, he said (and as quoted from the discharge letter which was read out to me from hospital yesterday) "he is feeling back to his normal self and will contact GP regarding restarting Mirtazapine". He then came home and resumed abusive behaviour and chain smoking cannabis and drinking excessive amounts of alcohol before staggering to bed at 5:30am.

My parents have cameras both at front and back doors and one in the kitchen and they all pick up his outbursts, him damaging things in the house, destroying the kitchen sink etc, his outbursts and screaming is loud enough for the cameras to pick it up so my dad has all the clips stored as evidence.

He was texting abuse to my dad the last 2 days and also sending voice notes all on Telegram. My dad has saved all these too, even though my brother thinks he's being clever by clearing previous message history.

I have just spoken to my parents now and he is still in bed and things are quiet. They know to tell me how things are when he's up and if he kicks off, that I will be calling the police. I will also be finishing this message and going to contact Social Work on behalf of my vulnerable parents to see what supports we can get in place.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/06/2025 11:07

@CruisingDuck He wouldn't be sectioned for a personality disorder, he could for psychosis if he's a danger to himself or others. He's discussed antipsychotics with staff and been discharged and it doesn't sound like he was properly assessed.

You were given quite a lot of advice such as contacting domestic abuse organisations and social services before. Your parents could get a non molestation order even if he's still living there but they need to be prepared to follow through.

I would show evidence of his behaviour to the police and social services and get legal advice. Rights of Women give free legal advice.

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 11:26

So I have called social work - well it's labelled the Adult Protection team, so someone will call me back and go into more greater detail about the ongoing issues.

@MiloMinderbinder925 He was meant to have a MH Assessment, that's what he was taken in for, but it never happened and instead he text my dad to tell me that the doctors are angry at me and will be contacting me to tell me they are not happy as apparently he should not have been in the hospital in the first place. I told my dad to reply with "What ward are you in as I will contact them myself". Funny enough, I did not receive a reply.

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FortyElephants · 12/06/2025 13:04

Again, don't pin your hopes on mental health services helping you get him out. Even if he has a MH assessment he's not likely to get sectioned and he will just be discharged back to their house with a plan than he will ignore.

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 13:22

FortyElephants · 12/06/2025 13:04

Again, don't pin your hopes on mental health services helping you get him out. Even if he has a MH assessment he's not likely to get sectioned and he will just be discharged back to their house with a plan than he will ignore.

I know, they need to go down the legal route to evict him. They are planning on downsizing anyway, so the goal is to move away and he won't be able to follow, but I have told them they need to seek legal advice now.

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GreenCandleWax · 15/06/2025 01:59

Could you and D parents (desperate measures) rent a flat for him - maybe pay a few months in advance, without him knowing. Then pack his clothes and other stuff into a suitcase while he is out, take it to the flat (though hopefully a decent distance away), and when he comes back, you have changed the locks on the house. There will be a note on the front door explaining that he now lives elsewhere and here is the key of his new home. Would that be possible through a letting agent who would not necessarily meet the new tenant beforehand? Hoping for a good solution for all concerned. Flowers

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