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Please help me to be kinder…

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FeralNun · 21/08/2024 12:15

…or come to terms with the fact that I just can’t be!

My mother is elderly and in very poor health, but luckily doesn’t have dementia. She is in sheltered housing, with good support and family members (not me) nearby. We haven’t had a close relationship, ever, but I have come to some acceptance about that and realise that she is now an old lady who needs kindness no matter the history.

Until fairly recently, we had regular rather jolly phone calls - she’s still pretty sharp and has plenty of opinions! But the increasing deafness has put paid to that.

She utterly refuses to wear her hearing aids and won’t accept that she can’t hear. She just ‘busks’ the conversation, filling in with whatever she imagined I might have said. That’s ok I suppose, until it actually matters.

Today I found myself bawling at the top of my voice about a recent very tragic death and it felt absolutely TERRIBLE. We’ve had some terrible bereavements lately and I’m afraid I was very upset and cross. She responded that she can’t help it, but she bloody well can - just wear the aids!

Any thoughts or advice on how to maintain my sanity?

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Beamur · 22/08/2024 09:41

We switched to writing things down for MIL as she got deafer.

StanLeeCameo · 22/08/2024 09:42

soupfiend · 22/08/2024 07:10

Ive had a difficult history with my mum and I find it hard to be kind and gentle. I feel guilty and angry at the same time. Awful

Dont have any advice OP but I understand

Exact same, It sucks.

EatCrow · 22/08/2024 09:48

DustyLee123 · 22/08/2024 07:07

I’ve found that I have to restrict what I say to my DM. Certain things we talk about will make a response that I do t like, or don’t agree with, so I just don’t go there any more. I try and think of easy things to chat about while I’m there,

I think this is the way forward OP. Your mother, for whatever reason, has chosen selective deafness.

FeralNun · 22/08/2024 09:48

Thank you all for such thoughtful and helpful replies. I’ll reply more fully later, but this is helping. Really.

Mum has never tried the aids, unfortunately - I can’t get to the bottom of it but it’s mainly denial I think. I do get that - it sucks being old and ill.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 09:55

minipill · 22/08/2024 07:33

Agree. My dh has hearing loss and won't wear aids because it just amplifies all sounds. He's not an idiot - would wear them if it helped.
I totally understand your frustration though OP!

At first I was puzzled by what you meant, because even NHS aids are configured to your hearing loss, amplifying the frequencies you can’t hear and leaving untouched the frequencies you can hear. But presumably he means it amplifies high pitched random squeaks as well as high pitched speech sounds?

In theory,that should resolve, as the brain learns what is relevant and what isn’t, just as it always has done (the difference here is that it’s being suddenly presented with a whole lot of sounds it hasn’t heard for years, and doesn’t yet know which are important).

Alternatively he could try the “noisy cafe” or “tv” settings - they basically narrow the area over which sounds are picked up, limiting it to sounds in front of him, which are more likely to be relevant.

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 09:57

ErrolTheDragon · 22/08/2024 07:40

How is her eyesight? If it's good enough to read a bit, texting or emails might be helpful for conveying important information, subsequent phone calls may go better if she has an idea what you are likely to be talking about. Or something like FaceTime might be better than a phone call, people do naturally lip read to some extent if they can see the other persons face and that might help her understand?

Or even letters

minipill · 22/08/2024 09:59

Thank you @MereDintofPandiculation I think it was in noisy cafe/pubs he struggled with most which he rarely goes to, so didn't think it was worth struggling with. But this thread has prompted me to have another look at what might be helpful. It's total loss in one ear plus tinnitus.

He spends most of his time at home so it's not that much of an issue except he can't tell where sounds are coming from!

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:01

Unex · 22/08/2024 08:14

I've got hearing loss
The NHS hearing aids are shite, I don't wear mine
I've tried some at scrivens that are absolutely brilliant
Like a whole new world had opened up
Sadly I can't afford £3k for them
So if she has the money maybe try scrivens

They are not “shite”. They are commercially available models fitted by often the same audiologists that supply privately. My NHS aids from Scrivens restored my hearing to the level that even my DC were unaware I had hearing loss; equally good were the two different NHS models I had from Specsavers.

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:08

Rafting2022 · 22/08/2024 08:04

Is dementia really linked to deafness?

As I understand it, social interaction is a factor reducing the probability of dementia. It’s more complicated than we give it credit for, keeping a lot of areas of the brain active, listening to the person you’re talking to, understanding and responding appropriately, screening out background noises, while keeping half an ear open totge other conversations at your table. Deafness makes all this more difficult - it’s far easier to sit in the corner letting the conversation wash over you.

Unex · 22/08/2024 10:09

@MereDintofPandiculation
Apologies shite may have been too strong a word
For me though, the difference was absolutely staggering.
It was like the difference between AOL dail up internet and fibre net broadband
Honestly the scrivens ones were like a whole different world had opened up.
I'm really disappointed the NHS ones, for me simply aren't fit for purpose. It's affecting my day to day life where I'm miss hearing important information at work and miss understanding people's interactions due to being unable to hear the tone of voice.
So frustrating

Greentreesandbushes · 22/08/2024 10:10

My DG is very deaf and refuses to wear hearing aids. Speaking to friends this is a common theme. Denial that hearing aids are needed/not deaf etc but also wonder if it’s control thing?

it makes communication very difficult, my poor mum often ends up really hoarse and a sore throat as she has medical issues with throat anyhow. Drives us a bit mad. Not sure what you can do but solidarity.

FeralNun · 22/08/2024 10:12

rickyrickygrimes · 22/08/2024 07:02

Why won’t she wear her hearing aids? How long has she had them and has she ever worn them?

Presumably she’s had a hearing test at some point and been given aids due to a hearing loss. So she has some awareness that she has a hearing loss. Do you remind her of this?

i guess at this stage you either put some time and effort into getting her to another hearing test, or to start wearing the aids she already has or you accept that this is likely how communication is going to be from now on, and you adjust your expectations accordingly.

she is now an old lady who needs kindness no matter the history.
Really? If you - for whatever reason- have a poor relationship with her, it’s going to be quite stressful to pretend otherwise just because she is now old. It’s not clear in your post what your expectations of your mother (and your phone calls with her) are. Is she someone you want to talk things through with? Are you looking for compassion and support - which she can’t give when she doesn’t know what you’re talking about? Or are they ‘duty’ calls - which you could make shorter, less frequent and avoid discussing anything sensitive?

Thanks. Not looking for compassion or support - never on offer at any point! It’s duty really - with a side order of regret that we can’t now have any level of conversation at all. It’s just a monologue of health complaints. I know she enjoyed a good old chinwag previously, and so did I!

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FeralNun · 22/08/2024 10:13

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/08/2024 07:07

You need to figure out why she won’t wear the hearing aids. They might not be working properly. All the kindness in the world won’t enable a proper phone conversation if she can’t hear you.
Been there with both mother and MIL. You need to be like a broken record asking her if she has got them in. If not call her again in 20 minutes when she has.

I’ve tried that - she simply won’t do it. So a week goes by until I crumble.

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FeralNun · 22/08/2024 10:14

Icarus40 · 22/08/2024 07:13

What sort of hearing loss does she have?

I'm mid-40s and have genetic mid-range hearing loss. So I can hear high and low pitched noises very clearly, but mid-range sounds (human voices, annoyingly) are very muffled. I have hearing aids. I hardly ever wear them. I was so excited to get them but they don't help very much as they amplify all sounds. So when I wear them I can hear all the high and low pitched noises REALLY LOUDLY and still struggle to hear what people are saying (unless I am in a quiet room with no background noise). Hearing aids aren't a magic solution for everyone. They can also be fiddly to put in and uncomfortable to wear after a while when you are first getting used to them.

I didn't realise any of this when my Dad started to wear his (for the same issue), and remember being annoyed that he didn't use them more!

It’s really helpful to know this, thank you.

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EatCrow · 22/08/2024 10:15

FeralNun · 22/08/2024 10:12

Thanks. Not looking for compassion or support - never on offer at any point! It’s duty really - with a side order of regret that we can’t now have any level of conversation at all. It’s just a monologue of health complaints. I know she enjoyed a good old chinwag previously, and so did I!

Aw, that’s sad OP. I’m in a situation where someone I shared so much with is absent (for other reasons) and I miss the connection so much. I have no choice but to accept that that part of our relationship is gone, but it’s so hard.

candycane222 · 22/08/2024 10:16

Rafting2022 · 22/08/2024 08:04

Is dementia really linked to deafness?

Not deafness as such I think, more in retreating from regular communication - I think people who become deaf in later life may feel that grappling with hearing aids and audiology appointments is just "one more thing" that they don't have the energy for - but this is to their social and cognitive detriment, sadly.

FeralNun · 22/08/2024 10:17

rookiemere · 22/08/2024 07:44

I think you just need to keep the conversation bright and breezy about inconsequential matters. If you find yourself getting upset, I would just say you need to go now, or go out and take a short break - pretend you have a phone call or something.

With my DPs I just don't tell them anything unpleasant, or I guess if it is unavoidable I would try to make sure I am over the emotional part of it. It's a bit like having toddlers again as it's mostly one sided.

I really think this is the best I can hope for. I do try this mainly, but I wasn’t on the ball this week. Was so distressed myself with the bereavement, that I forgot that so couldn’t hope for a normal convo..

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MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:18

minipill · 22/08/2024 09:59

Thank you @MereDintofPandiculation I think it was in noisy cafe/pubs he struggled with most which he rarely goes to, so didn't think it was worth struggling with. But this thread has prompted me to have another look at what might be helpful. It's total loss in one ear plus tinnitus.

He spends most of his time at home so it's not that much of an issue except he can't tell where sounds are coming from!

I have tinnitus. The thing that has helped me is to religiously ignore it, drag my thoughts away from it. I rationalise this as training my brain to understand that this is not a noise it needs to tell me about. So now most of the time I don’t hear it, but if I think about it (like now), it’s there!

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:21

Unex · 22/08/2024 10:09

@MereDintofPandiculation
Apologies shite may have been too strong a word
For me though, the difference was absolutely staggering.
It was like the difference between AOL dail up internet and fibre net broadband
Honestly the scrivens ones were like a whole different world had opened up.
I'm really disappointed the NHS ones, for me simply aren't fit for purpose. It's affecting my day to day life where I'm miss hearing important information at work and miss understanding people's interactions due to being unable to hear the tone of voice.
So frustrating

Mine are from Scrivens. And they’re NHS. It sounds like the model you were first offered didn’t suit you.

CloudPop · 22/08/2024 10:22

@soupfiend I feel guilty and angry at the same time.

This sums up my feelings perfectly. Isn't it draining.

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:25

Greentreesandbushes · 22/08/2024 10:10

My DG is very deaf and refuses to wear hearing aids. Speaking to friends this is a common theme. Denial that hearing aids are needed/not deaf etc but also wonder if it’s control thing?

it makes communication very difficult, my poor mum often ends up really hoarse and a sore throat as she has medical issues with throat anyhow. Drives us a bit mad. Not sure what you can do but solidarity.

It’s yet another sign that you are old. And being old is not valued in our society, especially if you are a woman. Why would you embrace another sign you are becoming a person to be ignored and looked down on?

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:30

I was so excited to get them but they don't help very much as they amplify all sounds. So when I wear them I can hear all the high and low pitched noises REALLY LOUDLY and still struggle to hear what people are saying (unless I am in a quiet room with no background noise). I don’t understand this. I have moderate high frequency loss and mild mid frequency loss. My NHS aids amplify the high frequencies a lot, the mid frequencies a bit, and the low frequencies not at all. When I put them in,there is no change in overall volume but suddenly I can hear all the high pitched speech sounds, s,t and so on, and speech is much clearer. I don’t understand why you have been fitted with aids that amplify all frequencies equally.

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:33

with a side order of regret that we can’t now have any level of conversation at all. It’s just a monologue of health complaints. I know she enjoyed a good old chinwag previously, and so did I! It’s 4 years since I’ve had a two-way conversation with Dad and I miss it. I keep thinking “what would Dad say about that bit of news?” then realising I will never know.

FeralNun · 22/08/2024 11:49

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:33

with a side order of regret that we can’t now have any level of conversation at all. It’s just a monologue of health complaints. I know she enjoyed a good old chinwag previously, and so did I! It’s 4 years since I’ve had a two-way conversation with Dad and I miss it. I keep thinking “what would Dad say about that bit of news?” then realising I will never know.

That’s really hard. So sorry

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Icarus40 · 22/08/2024 12:04

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/08/2024 10:30

I was so excited to get them but they don't help very much as they amplify all sounds. So when I wear them I can hear all the high and low pitched noises REALLY LOUDLY and still struggle to hear what people are saying (unless I am in a quiet room with no background noise). I don’t understand this. I have moderate high frequency loss and mild mid frequency loss. My NHS aids amplify the high frequencies a lot, the mid frequencies a bit, and the low frequencies not at all. When I put them in,there is no change in overall volume but suddenly I can hear all the high pitched speech sounds, s,t and so on, and speech is much clearer. I don’t understand why you have been fitted with aids that amplify all frequencies equally.

Me neither 🤷🏻‍♀️ Maybe different NHS trusts prescribe different aids?