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Elderly parents

She’s cancelled the carers 😕

63 replies

Donm999 · 10/02/2024 18:54

DM, late 70s, lives alone. In poor health generally, lots of lower level health issues, doesn't really leave her bungalow anymore. Things seem to be getting worse. Doesn’t take care of herself, eats terribly, doesn’t look after her place/washing up was constantly piled up etc.

Finally got a package of care in last November. DM has then constantly moaned about having people in the house etc.

Invoice came through yesterday; DM has decided she can’t afford it ongoing and has now cancelled the carers completely.

Feeling both annoyed and upset, and dreading the switch back from moany phone calls about carers to moany phone calls about how the place is a mess, she’s barely eaten all day etc. Not to mention the ‘joy’ of sorting her place out every time I go down again.

So as not to drip feed; the relationship is highly challenging, with the expectation that I should be constantly doing stuff for her, with no appreciation. I’ve pretty much been the parent since my teen years. Phone calls and visits are basically her talking/moaning at me on repeat. No local family - apart from my not-so-DB who does sweet FA and nothing is expected of. I work long hours and have a small a child and live 40 mins away.

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crosstalk · 11/02/2024 18:08

Any reply yet OP? This is clearly the way to go eg not offering yourself as the sacrificial lamb.

MereDintofPandiculation · 11/02/2024 20:51

Sensing a theme here… Then learn from it and don't set up anything for her unless she asks. Take a step back and let her feel the consequences of refusing help.

Re"stealing" - if you keep losing things, either it's you being forgetful, or someone's stolen them. It's much more comfortable to blame someone for stealing them than to admit to yourself that you're losing your marbles.

Donm999 · 11/02/2024 21:43

crosstalk · 11/02/2024 18:08

Any reply yet OP? This is clearly the way to go eg not offering yourself as the sacrificial lamb.

Long silence…then a text with a moan about carer coming late today (they’re not cancelled until she calls the office tomorrow) followed by;

‘Ok whatever!!’

She is avoiding owning her decision and making a plan for sorting herself out. Think she’s holding out for option d; dutiful daughter will just do it for me. She’s going to have a long wait this time!!

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Donm999 · 11/02/2024 21:46

TellySavalashairbrush · 11/02/2024 16:44

Sadly this happens a lot (I’m a social worker with elderly adults ) I would suggest reducing the package of care , say one visit a day or every other day and having a cleaner and someone to support her with shopping .
As difficult as it is you have to be firm that you cannot offer her more support now the carers have been stopped and really stick to it. Many of my clients lack insight when it comes to how much their adult children should do for them - they can be very selfish and almost revert back to children themselves. I wish you all the best, it’s not an easy situation.

Yes that’s exactly what it’s like; having a second child. In fact, my 5 year old is significantly easier!!

Not sure if she lacks insight or just doesn’t really care. Likely a bit of both!

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daysfilledwithdappledlight · 11/02/2024 22:46

Boomer1964 · 11/02/2024 06:57

This is really common. However it might be worth looking for a cleaner instead. Lots have experience with older people and will help with washing, errands etc. Much cheaper too if you can employ direct. I did a similar role for numerous older people and it always worked well. You have to set boundaries though. Even one visit a week is too much right now. Back off and see how it goes. Plus a slightly mucky house isn't the end of the world. Her standards don't have to be the same as yours. Also, AA is only about £90 a week which doesn't go far for carers. Honestly look for perhaps a older lady to help your mum, it often works better. Some agencies endlessly send different people every visit and many of us wouldn't be happy with a parade of strangers coming through our homes. Eventually she may need a lot of personal care and then try asking agencies what their policies are regarding sending different people. Good luck.

This is a great suggestion.

Careers are extremely expensive - for good reason - but twice a week is something she probably doesn't want to commit to for the rest of her future if she's not financially well off, so simpler help like a cleaner a few times a week that can do a little household also (washing up / ironing) while she's able enough to not need the health experience careers bring may be a great balance.

A career twice a day @£30hr = £1,800 a month / £21,600 a year

A cleaner 3 times a week @15hr = £180 a month / £2,160 a year

If I've done my maths right, I can understand why she has stopped the career after getting their invoice. Sadly it then defaults to you, but hopefully a reduce career package or a cleaner can alleviate that pressure off you without being too much of a financial burden on her ❤️

QueefofSheena · 11/02/2024 22:53

If there is no POA then ultimate responsibility for her is with the LA. Ask for an urgent care assessment and get them to put things in place. It’s an uphill battle and they will make her pay or put a charge on her property if she owns any but its not on you OP, as much as they will try to make you believe that.

Supersimkin2 · 11/02/2024 23:01

I’ve had this drama too. Oldsters of a certain ‘type’ love it.

Ignore DM. Easier said than done, but persevere. Don’t cave.

What DM wants is either impossible or bad news for the rest of the planet (you). Meh, Unacceptable. Don’t cave.

A small crisis will set you both back on the right track, and if things get bad, you can call in SS.

Good luck.

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/02/2024 10:17

An unpopular opinion perhaps but you don't owe your mother anything I wouldnt go as far as that, she’s family, I couldn’t imagine stepping back completely and not coming to the aid of any family member in need. What you don’t owe your mother is to sacrifice your life, health or happiness for hers.

It's hard but you're allowed to care about someone without having to care for them. Yes, remember this.

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/02/2024 10:20

daysfilledwithdappledlight · 11/02/2024 22:46

This is a great suggestion.

Careers are extremely expensive - for good reason - but twice a week is something she probably doesn't want to commit to for the rest of her future if she's not financially well off, so simpler help like a cleaner a few times a week that can do a little household also (washing up / ironing) while she's able enough to not need the health experience careers bring may be a great balance.

A career twice a day @£30hr = £1,800 a month / £21,600 a year

A cleaner 3 times a week @15hr = £180 a month / £2,160 a year

If I've done my maths right, I can understand why she has stopped the career after getting their invoice. Sadly it then defaults to you, but hopefully a reduce career package or a cleaner can alleviate that pressure off you without being too much of a financial burden on her ❤️

This is one reason a LPA is useful - the bills can go straight to the attorney instead of scaring the donor.

GoldfishFins · 12/02/2024 10:22

Leave her to it, if she won't accept carers, let her figure it out herself

Donm999 · 12/02/2024 11:06

Update: Having left her to stew, she has now decided she wants to keep one visit a day going. Phew!

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Donm999 · 12/02/2024 11:08

Also, thanks for all the messages of solidarity and ‘hold your boundaries’. To be honest, I wondered if I was being a ‘bad daughter’ but the unanimous verdict of her needing to take some responsibility has reinforced it’s not on me. Thank you 🙂

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TorroFerney · 14/02/2024 08:53

Donm999 · 11/02/2024 12:14

Are we related?! Lol.

I think you’re right about the phrasing on repeat - due to years of conditioning, whenever she moans about stuff I going into instant guilt that I’m not doing enough! Need to instead to push back to offering to sort arrangement…not do it for her.

Or train yourself to say „oh that sounds rubbish, what are you going to do about it?“

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