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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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Ilikeyoursleeves · 04/12/2023 18:57

@Redebs I found this thread immensely helpful and validating this summer when my dad was dying and I couldn't take it any more. I had had 16 years of looking after ill parents. Firstly my mum who had dementia and died in 2020 (a horrible slow ending from cancer) and my dad had Parkinson's. As much as I loved him, it ended up being hell for him and for me.

It's not euthanasia and bumping off humans like animals, for my dad his eventual ending was the most humane and compassionate thing possible. At the end he couldn't speak, eat, drink, swallow, walk, get out of bed, could barely open his eyes, wore nappies, had the most undignified and torturous ending. He was fully aware too til the end which made it even worse for him and for me watching his slow hideous decline and then death. Why on earth would we choose to prolong that utter hell and suffering?????

I find it really sad that people can be so judgemental about other peoples situations when what is needed is immense compassion, understanding and validation.

Choux · 04/12/2023 19:05

Redebs · 04/12/2023 18:16

I was privileged to be able to care for my mum at the end of her life and find it shocking that people want to euthanise parents like animals. I only wish she was still here with us now.

There does need to be more practical support for families of elderly, sick people. It must be dreadful for people without willing family members to step in.

Traditionally, such care has been provided exclusively by daughters and daughters-in-law and that needs to change. As a society we have had such care hidden away, neglected and underfunded.

The only humane way forward is to set up flexible care that's properly funded.

Hi @Redebs - I'm glad you enjoyed caring for your mother at the end of your time together. Could you tell us about one of your most difficult days as her carer?

Did she ever reach the point of double incontinence and soil herself multiple times a day?

Did she ever tell you to F off because you tried to coax her to eat or suggest it was bed time because you couldn't wait to get to bed yourself as you were exhausted?

Did she ever tell you she had had enough of living and tell you she wanted it to be over? Did she ask you to put her out of her misery?

Did she stare blankly at you even though you were talking to her and telling her you were her daughter? Or even look fearful of you?

With animals a vet will tell you when the time has come to think of your pet's suffering and they will help you send it gently on its' way. With humans the doctors and medical staff often seek to prolong your loved ones' lives in the name of the hippocratic oath regardless of whether the patient and the family think there is a quality of life and can cope with what is being asked of them as carers.

MsJinks · 04/12/2023 19:10

Many people literally can’t give up their lives as they may have children/jobs/live further away - I think all on here have stepped up to do a highly stressful role and support how best they can.
I do search for the ‘grace’ to find it a privilege every day, and appreciate it perhaps should be such, and am actually even glad that I can do this for her when not overwhelmed and worried about other stuff. Unfortunately I find it hard to be in a room 24/7 with her - I sleep on an airbed next to her hospital bed as she needs me at night too - and then to be unable to fetch basic essentials for her, let alone myself, without a lot of palaver, is frustrating - thank god there’s Amazon for food. I am the only immediate family of my mother so it is not the case we don’t want to step up - I have - my own kids also do their best to help me/her though she prefers me to be there - thing is unless I plus at least one of my kids give up work and looking after their small kids it’s really, really, really hard.
I also have binned off serious hospital investigations of my own - I thought this was ok for a couple of months - it could be a lot longer now though, and that just is a concern.
I feel just awful not feeling blessed to do this, ghoulish contemplating plans around an end date, but it’s crashing my life and potentially losing a lot tgat I wanted to provide for my kids - if work has to be stopped - I do know I will never, ever allow my kids to do this, even though I had 4 to help not just one 🤔.
Also and maybe you missed that some of these parents don’t even want to suffer on themselves - this is not the case for my mum though.
Its lovely to have the time, space, cash, support to do care - just isn’t always that way, or so easy to just step up - I don’t know the best answer though - why I’m on here!

MsJinks · 04/12/2023 19:45

I’ve also spent the afternoon moving her too much furniture and her hospital bed around the front room as she thought it was in the wrong place and couldn’t settle - it’s only been where it was for 3 years - I try to remember it’s awful for her not to recognise her home - but I did want to scream with frustration today and lost the joy tbh 🤦🏻‍♀️

rookiemere · 04/12/2023 21:28

I've been a lurker on this thread.Thank goodness my DPs aren't quite at this stage yet and I have no idea where I will find the strength to handle it.

@MsJinks "I also have binned off serious hospital investigations of my own - I thought this was ok for a couple of months - it could be a lot longer now though, and that just is a concern." Please, please get yourself checked out. You cannot sacrifice yourself for your DM.

I know it's easy for me to say.

bananablues · 04/12/2023 21:38

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

totally get this. The irony that you cannot get a doctors appointment when you are younger but as soon as you get older, the moment you sneeze doctors are there.

Ricky gervais afterlife summed up nursing home life perfectly. Just sat there waiting to die, no one is a winner.

I am all for legal euthanasia, sooner the better. Think I heard something about it been legalised (possibly)on Isle of Man soon.

strawberriesarenot · 04/12/2023 22:31

I am all for legal euthanasia, sooner the better. Think I heard something about it been legalised (possibly)on Isle of Man soon.

I could not agree more. bananablues
I would give anything for this to be the case. I am so scared of ending like my poor df did, and putting my family through what his went through, that I have given up all routine cancer checks etc. And written a living will, if it works, and got enough paracetamol stored to finish me (I hope) but I shouldn't have to do these things. I should be able to just say, here in my sanish mind, still working for a living and in the world, 'when I am no longer independent/sane/able to endure it, let me go.' It's not a big ask. We do it for dogs. MY df starving and bereft and lost with no dignity, begging at one stage for someone to knock him on the back of his head with a brick.
I met next door neighbour distressed in street yesterday. Their mother is on what they called 'the pathway'. Down to 4 stone. Kept alive.
It's absolutely wicked.

MereDintofPandiculation · 05/12/2023 10:39

@Redebs Some people here are caring for relatives who have lost all quality of life. Maintaining life in such a case is torture, and treating people much worse than we treat animals.

Perhaps you could start a thread in AIBU? It’s not helpful here.

AInightingale · 05/12/2023 13:17

people want to euthanise parents like animals.

I've had two cats pts, it was peaceful and dignified. I would not have had them endure incapacity and pain any longer. Some of the stories on here regarding the protraction of human suffering are horrific.

Badbudgeter · 05/12/2023 13:36

Redebs · 04/12/2023 18:16

I was privileged to be able to care for my mum at the end of her life and find it shocking that people want to euthanise parents like animals. I only wish she was still here with us now.

There does need to be more practical support for families of elderly, sick people. It must be dreadful for people without willing family members to step in.

Traditionally, such care has been provided exclusively by daughters and daughters-in-law and that needs to change. As a society we have had such care hidden away, neglected and underfunded.

The only humane way forward is to set up flexible care that's properly funded.

I’d like to be euthanised like an animal 👋 I wouldn’t want my children to witness the suffering that I have. Painless and dignified at the end of a life well lived is how my dog/ cats have gone. I’m hoping people can say the same about me!

moggerhanger · 05/12/2023 14:23

I am terrified of ending up like my mum. Absolutely terrified.

iloveeverykindofcat · 05/12/2023 14:27

people want to euthanise parents like animals.

Our old family vet euthanised himself. As a very sick, old man whose wife had passed years ago and whose children were grown and happy.

So there's some food for thought for you.

oakleaffy · 05/12/2023 15:13

@strawberriesarenot Please please not paracetamol.

A man I know tried that and he said it was absolute AGONY like his whole body was on fire.
He was found and taken to Intensive care.
He wasn’t terminally I’ll though-

He had no access to morphine and assumed paracetamol would do a similar thing.

It didn’t.

strawberriesarenot · 05/12/2023 15:40

Poor man.

oakleaffy · 05/12/2023 16:02

strawberriesarenot · 05/12/2023 15:40

Poor man.

Paracetamol is meant to be one of the worst ways-

I agree with you about people being able to choose euthanasia for themselves in the face of a frightening diagnosis- Altzheimers particularly-
But the drug has to be a “Humane” one.

Vets have an alarmingly high rate of suicide probably in part as they have the means at hand.
Plus it’s a very stressful profession.

Far removed from
James Herriot days ( although Alf himself suffered depression- hence taking up writing ✍️ as a therapy.)

Echobelly · 05/12/2023 16:09

I'm sorry it's such a stressful situation. Honestly I think society needs to seriously rethink quality vs quantity of life.

It was exhausting for my parents in grandfather's final 6 months of life, and that was just 6 months. He wasn't even in particular bad health for someone in his 90s before he was diagnosed with the illness that killed him but much as I loved him, in fact because I loved him I remember thinking a year out two before he died that I hoped he didn't have to live too long as he was, unable to get out much or know what he'd be capable of from day to day.

I do hope by the time I am anything like that old there is at least an option to say 'Stop treating me for potentially fatal illnesses and just give me palliative care for that from now on'

REP22 · 05/12/2023 17:41

oakleaffy · 05/12/2023 16:02

Paracetamol is meant to be one of the worst ways-

I agree with you about people being able to choose euthanasia for themselves in the face of a frightening diagnosis- Altzheimers particularly-
But the drug has to be a “Humane” one.

Vets have an alarmingly high rate of suicide probably in part as they have the means at hand.
Plus it’s a very stressful profession.

Far removed from
James Herriot days ( although Alf himself suffered depression- hence taking up writing ✍️ as a therapy.)

You're right. I used to work at a vets and knew of at least two who took their own lives. Sadly, I believe that James Herriot's "Siegfried" (Donald Sinclair) killed himself with barbiturates after the deaths of Alf, his brother and his wife.

I can remember being on a hospital ward a few years ago, it was me and four elderly ladies. One of them was mentally compos mentis but almost immobile and physically very unwell. She repeated constantly every day "I want to go, I want to go, I want to go..." and we all knew she wasn't talking about discharge from hospital and returning home (she told me herself). Awful.

Add dementia to the mix and it's a horrendous hand that no-one would wish to be dealt. Sometimes (although not always) involving physical violence, verbal abuse, sexual inappropriateness, wandering, confabulations, etc., that pollute the memories of the wonderful human that once was.

My heartfelt sympathies are with everyone having to face this.

Flyhigher · 05/12/2023 17:47

Agreed.

Flyhigher · 05/12/2023 18:02

If it's just a few months. And they don't suffer too much it's a pleasure. If it's years. And they hate it. It's torture for everyone.

Supersimkin2 · 05/12/2023 23:19

It’s horrible. Two decades of misery for some of us.

oakleaffy · 06/12/2023 18:08

REP22 · 05/12/2023 17:41

You're right. I used to work at a vets and knew of at least two who took their own lives. Sadly, I believe that James Herriot's "Siegfried" (Donald Sinclair) killed himself with barbiturates after the deaths of Alf, his brother and his wife.

I can remember being on a hospital ward a few years ago, it was me and four elderly ladies. One of them was mentally compos mentis but almost immobile and physically very unwell. She repeated constantly every day "I want to go, I want to go, I want to go..." and we all knew she wasn't talking about discharge from hospital and returning home (she told me herself). Awful.

Add dementia to the mix and it's a horrendous hand that no-one would wish to be dealt. Sometimes (although not always) involving physical violence, verbal abuse, sexual inappropriateness, wandering, confabulations, etc., that pollute the memories of the wonderful human that once was.

My heartfelt sympathies are with everyone having to face this.

Yes I think Donald Sinclair did use something to hand.

As a child I had a barbiturate ( Nembutal) injection for an orthodontic tooth extraction.

I remember the anaesthetist putting the needle in and saying “ Count back down from ten”

I didn’t get further than 5

A soft darkness closed in.

No pain.

Definitely the most humane way to euthanise a suffering being.

I would want euthanasia for myself in extremis.
( Dementia) as saw a local woman literally lose her mind from it and become paranoid and frightened- She didn’t recognise anyone.
Dementia is a cruel condition.

Ohthatsfabulousdarling · 08/12/2023 04:18

I'm so sorry this is your reality! I really am. It sounds absolutely exhausting.
I want to say that I also completely agree re euthanasia. I've long said I want to go to Switzerland before I get in the state that my children are either having to provide extensive care or put me in a home.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 08/12/2023 08:30

I’m so fed up. Last year my mum almost passed but amazingly rallied and made it home. I posted about it at the time. I felt like I was prepared for her passing but came back from the brink. Now 17 months later I’m going through the same again and blow me if she isn’t rallying again. Except we’ve never had a close relationship and I feel like I’m acting a part expected of me. I feel like I’m trapped in a never ending play about death but can never actually reach that point to move on with my life. I’m so fecking done with it. Then I have to live with the guilt of thinking I’m a horrible person. How many more times do I have to prepare for my mums death but then it doesn’t happen. Then I’m left to cope with the in between stages of co morbidities until the next time.
I hear of other people’s loved ones having a relatively quick death and I want to scream in frustration.
This thread has been a lifesaver for me. The thread title says it all. I can’t even cry any more. I’m just too mentally exhausted.

MsJinks · 08/12/2023 09:07

@VoluptuaGoodshag - my mum was sent home on EOL with hours to days left - a month later and her meds are reinstated and she’s doing fine - albeit bed bound on oxygen and catheterised. I totally hear you although you’ve had so much longer with this up/down - I was never close to my mum - my parents had a glorious life together until my mum started falling, then covid and my dad passing aWay - I started picking up slack in covid but now living here as I thought it was a short period - I too feel incredibly guilty about my overall feelings and very bad for my mum who thinks I love this. But we are there for them and we have here to vent - I keep searching for grace but think probably vodka rather than meditation would be the way 🤦🏻‍♀️ - if I had that time 🤷🏼‍♀️
You are doing all you can - be kinder to yourself.

PermanentTemporary · 08/12/2023 09:31

@VoluptuaGoodshag I feel you. I was certain my mum wouldn't see another Christmas last year but here we are. It is an endless goodbye with the person not anything like who they used to be.

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