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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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B12B12 · 16/10/2023 12:46

Yes OP I agree. Particularly frustrating as my mum was my stepfather’s main carer when he had dementia and got no help at all. When he went into a care home we had to argue with them over not continuing his cancer treatment as he had no quality of life and was dying.

My mum is 88 and in relatively good health, but threatens suicide the whole time over minor matters. She is refusing to have carers when the time comes and expects me to help her commit suicide if she suffers a stroke or something. I flatly refused because I don’t want to be charged with anything, not because it’s wrong per se.

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/10/2023 13:00

That’s the problem with “if I get dementia I’m going to Dignitas” - you have to go while you’re still independent and enjoying life, so you don’t have to ask someone to help you get there.

countrygirl99 · 16/10/2023 13:50

@MereDintofPandiculation and if you do get dementia you are often the last person to realise and think you are doing just fine while family run around sorting the chaos until it's too late to take action.

greenbeansnspinach · 16/10/2023 17:05

This is exactly the problem. “There’s nothing wrong with my memory” (or my hearing, or my sight) and (usually) the daughter is run ragged trying discreetly to keep up the pretence for fear of upsetting the old dear.

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/10/2023 18:21

fear of upsetting the old dear. Hey! Careful with your language - that's nearly me you're talking about Grin

countrygirl99 · 16/10/2023 18:22

With mum it's there's nothing wrong with my memory or my hearing when she has the tv so loud you can hear it outside and she asks me if I'm going on holiday this year 5 minutes after I've shown her my holiday photos.

greenbeansnspinach · 16/10/2023 18:27

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/10/2023 18:21

fear of upsetting the old dear. Hey! Careful with your language - that's nearly me you're talking about Grin

And me! I’m 67 so definitely entering old dear territory myself 🤣

greenbeansnspinach · 16/10/2023 18:30

countrygirl99 · 16/10/2023 18:22

With mum it's there's nothing wrong with my memory or my hearing when she has the tv so loud you can hear it outside and she asks me if I'm going on holiday this year 5 minutes after I've shown her my holiday photos.

Same. She has just failed to recognise her own grandson in a photo and when I confirmed it was him, tried to backtrack by saying he’s grown a beard since she last saw him. She sees him every month and he’s had a beard for fifteen years. Still, she's right and I’m wrong …

countrygirl99 · 16/10/2023 18:47

My mum asked who the woman next to DS was in a photo of my family that I was showing her. Thinking it was DIL who she hadn't seen for a while I said DIL. "Not her, the other side". It was me. The photo had been taken the week before and I was even wearing the same top.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 20/10/2023 08:01

"I would love to love if nurses/care home workers/emergency pendant employees know what relatives are thinking when they call. Do they think we are upset or do they know we are way beyond giving a shit"

@Poochypaws I recently had to call some poor woman because her mum was calling 999 over and over again trying to report her dead husband missing (police control room staff) We had a lovely chat sympathising with each other in our mutual parent ordeals. So possibly the person on the other end of the phone is totally empathising

countrygirl99 · 20/10/2023 08:11

When dad was in hospital during covid the ward clerk called me because mum had called 5 times in 90 minutes having totally forgotten she'dalready called. We ended up having a nice chat comparing our parents alzheimers.
She was also lovely bending the covid visiting rules so all my siblings could visit when he was dying.
A nurse, on the other hand, was a complete cow and got by me told very firmly she needed training to understand dementia before she went back on a ward specialising in elder care. It was only because I was so busy dealing with the fall out with mum that I didn't make a formal complaint. Which I now regret.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 20/10/2023 08:25

@countrygirl99 i wonder if dealing with it as the child gives people a whole new perspective - a bit like midwifery. Although as other posters on this thread have proved, some people are just twats.
My Mum has been going since august 2020, paralysed and unable to speak, catheterised abd miserable. I got time off work at Christmas last year as we thought it would be her last. She's still with us, more poorly, more demanding than ever but apparently indestructible

countrygirl99 · 20/10/2023 08:50

@StiffyByngsDogBartholomew the cow nurse gave mum a really important message despite dad's notes saying all important info and discussions with us as mum cannot understand or retain complex info. The nurse told me off for phoning to check mum's garbled and nonsense message to me as they had already told a family member so I shouldn't be bothering them. I pointed out what is in dad's notes and she actually said "I can't see what the problem is with giving her that message, it's quite straightforward" in a really arsey tone, no apology for not doing what is in his notes. It was all about how dad was being discharged to a care home under discharge to assess and what the arrangements would be! Mum had got totally confused, rung the care home to talk to him and of course he wasn't there so she convinced hersilf he had died and nobody was telling her. Phoned me totally distraught and I had to drop everything to go and calm her down and don't live near to her.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 20/10/2023 08:54

Jesus @countrygirl99 you don't have to have a degree in geriatric nursing to realise you can't expect an old, confused person to retain critical information. Honestly I wonder sometimes about people.

countrygirl99 · 20/10/2023 09:16

@StiffyByngsDogBartholomew my experience is that people are either really good or rubbish, there never seems to be any inbetween. It was the same when FIL was caring for MIL at home. She is severely disabled after a stroke, non verbal, paralysed on one side, incontinent, seizures. The good social worker got him to accept respite care a couple of times against resistance then she left. The next one not only didn't try but let him think there was the possibility that they would supply live in care at home despite their being only 2 bedrooms. They had to have separaterooms because of MIL special bed and equipment so this mythical live in carer would have spent the night on a small armchair in the living room.

moggerhanger · 21/10/2023 21:20

Evening everyone. I have a modicum of good news to report - my DM has finally been awarded Continuing Healthcare Funding. Hopefully that will now cover her care home fees. It took such a lot of nagging and going around the houses to get though.

PermanentTemporary · 22/10/2023 08:46

That's amazing and great @moggerhanger - these things really should not be difficult to at least apply for but ohhhh they are. Big hand for getting through it.

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/10/2023 10:02

My wheelchair using mother had a real fight for attendance allowance 40 odd years ago. She said she thought they didn’t think you seriously needed it unless you were prepared to appeal. I wonder if such thinking still surrounds CHC

Isthiscorrect · 22/10/2023 10:05

@moggerhanger well done. It's such a slog to get anything. And the money is so desperately needed.

Sadly the day CHC was awarded to my mother was the day she passed. 4 years work.

moggerhanger · 22/10/2023 11:34

I think there's an attitude that CHC is only allowed where the recipient has a terminal illness - and that dementia doesn't count. The fact that the care home GP had told me they wouldn't be surprised if DM didn't make it through the night helped, I think. They couldn't exactly say she wasn't deserving after that - hoist with their own petard. That was four weeks ago. I expect she'll continue to hang on for a while yet, because that's how it's been for the last few years. And I wish it wasn't, but hey ho.

Mischance · 22/10/2023 13:07

CHC funding is definitely not only for those who are terminally ill, but sadly many health professionals keep peddling this falsehood.

I appealed the decisions to twice disallow this for my late OH - I won and they paid me back all the money that I had spent on his care.

Contact Beacon (beaconchc.co.uk) and they will help. You can get free advice from them.

moggerhanger · 22/10/2023 16:57

Mischance · 22/10/2023 13:07

CHC funding is definitely not only for those who are terminally ill, but sadly many health professionals keep peddling this falsehood.

I appealed the decisions to twice disallow this for my late OH - I won and they paid me back all the money that I had spent on his care.

Contact Beacon (beaconchc.co.uk) and they will help. You can get free advice from them.

There's such a conflict of interest in the decision-making too. As it's effectively the NHS that decides, and it's also the NHS that has to pay. So it's very much in the NHS's interest that as few eligible people get it as possible. Or am I just a cynical old trout 🤔

Tara336 · 22/10/2023 18:49

@moggerhanger there is a definite conflict of interest in the decision. DF was not even put forward for CHC as the Dr at the secure dementia unit he was in sent he didn't meet the criteria (he had been sectioned) I knew the criteria and argued he was incorrect as DF met them. Then a few weeks later DF was sectioned again and automatically qualified for full funding

VoluptuaGoodshag · 25/11/2023 16:46

Just needing to write a bit again. Mum took a downward turn this week but most of it has been spent trying to get the right folk to talk to each other to get a care package in place. I’m exhausted. This is just hellish. Feel like I’m in a pinball machine and still trying to get her capacity assessed. She keeps forgetting to take her meds, clean herself, hasn’t eaten properly in days and yet she endures. It’s only going to get worse. Running on empty me

Tara336 · 25/11/2023 18:54

@VoluptuaGoodshag pin ball machine is a brilliant description of what we get put through. I'm sorry your DM has taken a turn for the worse, none of this is easy, I can completely empathise with you. I am reaching the end of a tough year with this and I realised/admitted this week I'm traumatised from some of the things I've experienced and had to do. I was burnt out by it all too and I've promised myself I won't get sucked back into it again now DF is finally in a home. I feel for you, I really do

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