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Elderly parents

Any idea what IV morphine feels like? I didn't call him and now it's too late...

33 replies

Alcemeg · 17/09/2022 16:23

I feel a bit silly writing this but since dad died recently I'm tormented by one thought. My head tells me it's irrational, but still I keep worrying about it.

He went into a care home with dementia and declined fairly rapidly as various age-related problems (gradual organ failure) got the better of him. During that time, I visited him weekly and told him how much I loved him. The great thing is that I knew he knew it, and we had lots of hugs, and he told me how much he loved me, and I knew he knew that I knew that... etc etc, you get the picture!

However, I was abroad on holiday when he finally died. He'd been started on IV morphine as part of the end-of-life care pathway, and was unresponsive for a day or so before drawing his last breath.

I kept wondering if it would make any difference to phone him up and just say a few words (with someone else holding the phone, obviously; and not expecting any response from him!). I didn't, because I felt we'd already said all our goodbyes, etc etc etc...

But knowing what joy it used to bring him to hear my voice on the phone, now that he's gone I keep fretting over whether I should just have made that call. What if he was lonely and wondering if I'd forgotten him? What if my voice could have given him some reassurance right towards the end?

I keep telling myself that IV morphine is a strong drug and he was probably floating on happy clouds at the time. Can anyone reassure me? Sorry to sound like a little girl, I just feel like one all of a sudden.

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Lovemusic33 · 17/09/2022 16:28

I sat with my grandad when he was on IV morphine. He was totally asleep but I would like to think he could hear me, he looked very comfortable and when he died he just drifted off. I don’t know if he knew I was there or if it made any difference, I wasn’t actually there when he died as he died in the early hours of the morning (he had a live in nurse in his own home).

Your dad knew you loved him, the fact you were not there right at the end does not change that so please don’t be hard on yourself.

EthicalNonMahogany · 17/09/2022 16:31

IV morphine is TOTALLY a happy cloud. He knew you loved him. Try and tell yourself that your brain is just whirling round trying to get something you had control over ("I could have phoned him") as part of processing your great loss. Condolences xx

HangingOver · 17/09/2022 16:32

End of life is usually morphine and medazolam which is a powerful benzo to relax you. My ma was absolutely sparko on it, didn't hear a peep or a flinch out of her in the last days no matter what we said. She didn't even flinch at noises etc.

DisforDarkChocolate · 17/09/2022 16:36

I've only had it once and my Lord I felt relaxed. All pain gone.

Alcemeg · 17/09/2022 16:38

Thank you thank you thank you for all these replies ❤

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GobbolinoTheWitchesCat · 17/09/2022 16:41

I'm so sorry for your loss.

I've had iv morphine a few times, I cant say that it ever left me on a happy cloud but that doesn't mean it was a bad experience! It just knocks me out totally so each time I slept pretty much constantly with blissfully numbed pain.

I certainly wouldn't worry about someone I loved while they were being given it, it was very peaceful.

Try not to torture yourself, your dad loved you and he probably wasn't aware of anything in his final days- you've not let him down at all. Xx

CatLadyDrinksGin · 17/09/2022 16:42

Bloody love iv morphine. Marvellous stuff!

embolass · 17/09/2022 16:42

Nurse here who has cared for many patients at the end of their life many on morphine. Do not worry, he will have been deeply unconscious, settled and calm. It would have made you feel better to speak to him but he won’t have been wondering where you were etc. It is lovely you had those special days with him, remember those and he will have felt your love then. It is such a cruel disease and often harder on the family than the person themselves. Give yourself credit for being there for him, whilst he was deteriorating. Total respect as it is one of the hardest things in life to do - now to take care of you as he would want x

Rtmhwales · 17/09/2022 16:43

I had IV morphine and medazolam in June for an awake egg retrieval. I felt happy and peaceful despite going in to the procedure terrified. I think your father would've felt peaceful and comfortable.

Alcemeg · 17/09/2022 16:44

Thank you all. Crying reading your lovely messages. Every single thing you've each said has made a difference.

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OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 17/09/2022 17:01

I had it once when I had meningitis. It literally felt like I had paid back on the fluffiest, comfiest happiest cloud. I had no idea what was going on around me.

I'm so sorry for the loss of your dad x

londonlass71 · 17/09/2022 17:10

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londonlass71 · 17/09/2022 17:11

APOLOGIES I did not see this was in "elderly parents" I was on my phone and it was cut off. Sorry for your loss. Xx

OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 17/09/2022 17:14

She quite clearly says "since my dad died" in her opening post.

Your comment was cruel and unnecessary and if you are even half decent you will ask for it to be removed.

Vampirethriller · 17/09/2022 17:14

I've had it- perfect peace, no pain, lovely dreams. I'm so sorry for your loss

BetterBee · 17/09/2022 17:16

Yes it’s in the elderly parents group, but she also says it’s her dad I’m the first sentence!

Even if she didn’t, what a horrible post to a grieving person! Pure nastiness.

TeaMoreToast · 17/09/2022 17:17

Sorry for your loss.

My DF had morphine and was on a cloud, he looked at peace and didn't respond to us. I think your DF knew you loved him and would have been peaceful at the end. A call wouldn't have registered with him, given my experience.

Alcemeg · 17/09/2022 17:19

londonlass71 · 17/09/2022 17:11

APOLOGIES I did not see this was in "elderly parents" I was on my phone and it was cut off. Sorry for your loss. Xx

No worries @londonlass71 , it's probably karma payback on me for the hasty MN posts where I've got the wrong end of the stick 😊

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Wolfiefan · 17/09/2022 17:20

My daughter had morphine. She went from off the scale pain with appendicitis to totally chilled out and floating on that happy cloud. She was so peaceful and calm.
So sorry for your loss.

Alcemeg · 17/09/2022 17:21

I'm so glad I posted this thread, I thought nothing could ever reassure me but all your comments have helped me enormously. I might even be able to say a few words at his funeral now without having hysterics about what a bad daughter I've been!!!

Thanks to everyone who has taken the trouble to reply.

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AliceinDunderland · 17/09/2022 17:33

Morphine's amazing, takes all your pain away and you feel like you are floating on a cloud. I had to have four doses once when I was rushed to A and E. I'm so sorry for your loss, I'm sure he was comfortable with no pain

Mommabear20 · 17/09/2022 17:33

Not IV, but my grandad had liquid morphine to take orally, and was completely knocked out after taking it so I assume it's very similar. He didn't know if we were there or not till it wore off.

SummerHouse · 17/09/2022 17:36

He will have been half way to heaven on iv morphine. You did a fantastic job when needed, neither of you in any doubt of your love. How many people achieve this? Not many. You did the right thing not calling as your goodbyes were said. I think there are always some "what if's" - it's a very natural stage of grief. But you will make absolute peace with this because you did a good job, you loved him and he loved you, and peace is what he would want for you. Speak at his funeral and be flipping proud of yourself. ❤️

train84 · 17/09/2022 17:56

Yeah I've had IV morphine before and I don't remember anything! I was completely in the clouds! My husband said I was staring into space, occasionally laughing- don't remember at all, and I imagine your dad would have been on a higher dose than I was! I promise you, this is something you really mustn't worry about. Focus on all the lovely things you said to each other because that's what matters. So sorry for your loss

Alcemeg · 17/09/2022 17:58

neither of you in any doubt of your love. How many people achieve this? Not many.

Thank you so much @SummerHouse , funnily enough we both said this to each other the last time I visited him. He was mostly incoherent at that stage and yet we still somehow managed conversations like this, which I think is definitely a big hurraaaaaah.

Thanks to all PPs for helping to list this weight off my shoulders, I am now planning one heck of a funeral speech!

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