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Elderly parents

Aunts response breaking my heart.

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Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 13:33

Opinions please. My grandfather is 93 and is currently being shielded. Our family have been protecting him by not visiting, the only exception is my mother who has met him in his garden to drop off supplies. I’ve just discovered that my aunts have been seeing him ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY since lockdown started by either going into his house or encouraging him to drive to theirs. I suspected as much and tried to politely express my concern via text message (we are estranged and I have tried to reach out a few times during lockdown regarding logistics for my grandfather but have been consistently rebuffed.) Not only did they admit in a text that they have been seeing him but they effectively accused me of being a terrible grandaughter because I haven’t (I work at a school and I didn’t think it was responsible of me to do so.) They also said (and I quote) “Why the sudden interest? Is it because you think he’s on his last legs?” Effectively accusing me of feigning interest because I want some sort of inheritance.

A bit of background here, my grandfather has 6 children and the the 2 aunts spent many years telling my grandfather that his other children were terrible people. Every time they fell out with one of them they insisted my grandfather and grandmother (now deceased) take their side. Bit by bit my grandparents favoured my aunts and excommunicated their other children. After my grandmother passed away my grandfather softened and started letting his other children back into his life. My grandmother had dementia for a very long time and I believe that they manipulated her mental heath into believing that all my other aunts and uncles were terrible people. They are verbally aggressive and accusatory, I’m pretty sure that they have slowly been stealing my grandmothers jewellery (on my grandmothers deathbed in hospital her wedding ring just happened to pop out of my aunts bra and she made the excuse that she was going to get it cleaned.) My grandfather is terrified of people coming to his house (possibly because so many things go missing.)

They pay for his council tax, phone bills and some other bills. I am grateful that they are offering him financial support and keeping him company. They persuaded him many years ago to write a will only with them to inherit (I’m fine with that but it makes me question their intentions.)

Here’s the kicker, my aunt was a celebrity in the 70’s and has 4000 followers on Twitter. She constantly talks about saving the NHS and how terrible Dominic Cummings is and has a host of loyal fans nodding along. I feel such burning injustice at it all. I was simply reaching out because I was concerned about the squalor he lived in and was asking them if we could all coordinate more as a family to look after him and they said I don’t do enough for him. Before lockdown I visited and called, sent him the odd card and humorous message, bottle of wine or a bit of DIY. I’ll admit that I don’t pay his council tax or phone bill, does that make me a bad granddaughter? Now I’ve reached out and expressed my concern about his recent deterioration in living standards and that there may need to be a coordinated effort, do I deserve to get my hand slapped? I’m at a point in my life where I can help out more financially (I have my own young family and my own parents heading into retirement.) But a big project like retiling his bathroom and fixing an extension that is falling apart is surely something for the group of us to coordinate (I’m happy to pay.)

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Breastfeedingworries · 28/05/2020 13:35

At his age he really hasn’t got necessarily much time left, surely if he’s made the choice to not be alone it’s up to him? If they’ve assessed the risk ect and decided it’s up to them. You’re obviously a higher risk.

It’s gone on so long now and really old people might prefer to risk it rather than be lonely.

CocoR · 28/05/2020 13:39

I think at 93 with not much time left in my life I wouldn't be too bothered about lockdown either.

I'd rather see people and have company that spend what it likely to be my last year or 2 alone. What's the point living longer when you're that old if you don't get to enjoy it and spend time with who you want?

Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 13:42

The thing is that he doesn’t understand lockdown. When I spoke to him on the phone he said he thought that there must be a massive sale on because he saw a huge queue of people outside the supermarket. I suppose I resent them putting him at risk when the rest of us have been shielding him.

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PotteringAlong · 28/05/2020 13:43

He’s 93! Statistically, COVID or no COVID, he won’t survive the next 12 months anyway.

At 93 I wouldn’t have been in lockdown for 11 weeks either

Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 13:44

Have I been wrong shielding him then? Do they have a point? Should I have been visiting him?

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CocoR · 28/05/2020 13:50

Strictly speaking the elderly should be shielding as they are more vulnerable to covid.

But if you were possibly going to only live another year or 2 would you want to spend it alone?

Fanthorpe · 28/05/2020 13:50

No, you’ve done what you were supposed to. I’m guessing the family issues that were in place before are just magnified. It sounds to me like your aunt is manipulative and unkind.

It’s a miserable situation and I’m sorry.

Pp’s saying he’s going to die anyway are also being unkind, no need for that.

Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 13:52

no of course I wouldn’t want to be alone but do you think they have the right to punish me because I was following lockdown rules.

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hfrdgftcsdg · 28/05/2020 13:54

Absolutely crazy to leave a 93 year old alone for months because you feel they might die! World has gone totally bonkers.

hfrdgftcsdg · 28/05/2020 13:55

How old are you hoping him to live for OP? 100,125?

ineedaholidaynow · 28/05/2020 13:56

Is your grandfather in reasonable health, yes he may die in a year being 93, but then again he may not. Some people do live beyond 94. I think the issue is that he isn't making the choice here, it seems to be the manipulative aunts. However, if he doesn't understand lockdown should he be driving still, as his mental capacity seems to be impaired?

eveoha · 28/05/2020 13:58

I feel for you as I have a similar situation - But what puzzles me is why has there not been an application for benefits to cover his outgoings? Do the ‘aunts’ own the house now - I hope it is resolved soon - 🙏🏽❤️🕊

Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 13:58

@ineedaholidaynow I agree he shouldn’t be driving it was one of the things I wanted to discuss with my aunts. His own parents lived till over 100 and so did both his older brothers and sisters.

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Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 13:59

@eveoha I also asked them about applying for help but they told me that they had everything under control.

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Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 14:00

@hfrdgftcsdg I hope he lives till he’s a million years old because of course he’s my grandfather and I love him very much

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JoJothesquirrel · 28/05/2020 14:02

Are we just writing people off now? My gran is 96 next week (despite pp insisting that your grandad won’t live another 12 months). We are not unaware of her advanced age but she’s not dead yet. We’re shielding her (perhaps easier because she does understand why) and taking every precaution. I don’t understand this attitude of thinking old people can just be discounted. And as my gran keeps pointing out during the war you couldn’t phone people to check they were ok, and there was the threat of being killed in the night so this is a minor inconvenience.

Becstar90 · 28/05/2020 14:04

Just because he is 93 doesn't mean he is on his death bed. He could have another 10 years in him considering his family members lived till 100!!! I wouldn't visit because of the risk. People are commenting like oh he's 93 who cares, he is going to die soon anyway. Bloody hell, OP you've done the right thing.

slipperywhensparticus · 28/05/2020 14:04

Just reply with I work in a school I'm a terrible risk to his health I hope he lives to 100

SinisterBumFacedCat · 28/05/2020 14:09

@hfrdgftcsdg

How old are you hoping him to live for OP? 100,125?
Of course. He is in good health. Why shouldn’t he live any longer than 93?
Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 14:10

@slipperywhensparticus I’ve already informed them that I am a key worker and that I work in a school.

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Needamanicure · 28/05/2020 14:29

93 year old..... perhaps family contact is worth more than the chance he may get covid

Sad that people put the virus before everything - personal touch, human contact etc - not a great way to spend his days

Needamanicure · 28/05/2020 14:31

Just wondering OP you work in a school - have you been in contact with children most days? Have you caught the virus yet? Maybe you have already had it? maybe children are low risk and not the super spreaders people assumed?

Perhaps with hand washing and social distancing you could visit but stay a couple of metres away and chat? He might really like that?

Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 14:47

@Needamanicure not had any symptoms but I have spent most of school days in lockdown in an Early Years setting where I have had to change nappies and been I close contact with little ones. I should have said that I have done some drive by meetings with him from my car but it actually just confused him a little more.

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Nearlyalmost50 · 28/05/2020 15:01

They have essentially formed their own household. This is probably not that risky unless one of them is out of the home a lot, for work or something like that.

I think there can be an argument for very elderly people to have one or two lower risk people around for care purposes, and I think the guidelines do allow for that.

Lots of people visiting will increase the risk, so there is some sense in keeping it to one or two people.

I also think if the person is at end-stage of life, then that risk can be weighed against the risk of not seeing people- but given he's 93, and not currently appearing to be dying, I would not personally want to risk it with him and give him corona.

Ultimately they are the carers, along with your mum, and I don't see they are doing anything terribly wrong. If he's finding it difficult to take care of hygiene/eat and cook independently, then someone visiting in the garden won't be enough and he needs to be part of a family.

You may not like your aunt, but they are doing a hard and demanding thing which is only going to get harder, you sound a lovely grand-daughter and I think staying away whilst they keep up the daily care is the right way forward- or perhaps once allowed, a garden visit would work well.

The rest of the stuff, inheritance, relations you don't like, it's upsetting but I would not get into battles over it. You are not his daily carer, they are, and ultimately you will have to let them get on with it unless they are doing anything illegal.

Rincewind1213 · 28/05/2020 15:04

@Nearlyalmost50 I agree with much of what you have said but do you think they are within their rights to accuse me of not pulling my weight during this time because I haven’t been seeing him in his home. They actually said that “I didn’t deserve him.” Because I hadn’t been round to his house.

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