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holidays in shcool term time adn bringin in sweets on return

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michellemcmanus · 09/06/2005 20:29

does anyone elses kids have to endure kids taking holidays in term time then returning wiht sweets for their class mates?

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snafu · 10/06/2005 18:15

I'm just pleased that there's been a Bruno Update on this thread

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:16

A what???

Marina · 10/06/2005 18:16

Me too. Switzerland, huh?

snafu · 10/06/2005 18:17

I bet he skis like a dream

Marina · 10/06/2005 18:17

Bruno the Magic Boy, HMB. He is a fascinating, cute little friend of Enid's dd1.

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:17

Lost me now!

Marina · 10/06/2005 18:18

And can rustle up Gluhwein and lecture on the taxonomy of the moufflon don't you think Snafu?

snafu · 10/06/2005 18:19

Rather, Marina.

I'm also picturing him and Enid's dd skipping through a meadow filled with Edelweiss...

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:20

Ahh, she says, still not quite getting it.

Oh and the GTP training scheme nets you £10,000 for the year you train, so I'm obviously not working in the right place. I don't earn £24,000. I'm lucky dh has a very well paid (if rather dangerous job), but I know lots of teachers who entered the profession later in life, rasiing a family on less than £20,000 which isn't big bucks for the qualifications that you are expected to have

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:21

Does he have a pen pal called Heidi?

Marina · 10/06/2005 18:21

I just went away to search on him for you a bit happymerryberries and I can't find at least one of his threads.
He's a quirky, quizzical, original little chap by all accounts and some of us hope that in due course Enid will be his MIL.
snafu

hercules · 10/06/2005 18:23

We are told not to set work for children who are on holiday as we have so many kids taking holidays that it would just add too much to our work load.

Sadly, theses kids do tend to suffer as they never catch up and therefore have missing chunks when it comes to revising for end of year exams.
We also set regular assessments and these along with end of year exams determine the child's groups for the next year. An absence due to holiday means zero and that has a direct affect on the ability group for the next year.

I would never do it and as a teacher it is annoying. It gets a lot of rolled eyes at my school.

I go camping now, very cheap.

Blu · 10/06/2005 18:23

Indeed tallulah - when I was at school it was only people whose parents were at the mercy of the factory rota who ever went on holiday in term-time. And no-one went abroad, I didn't go abroad at all until I was 15. Oh, no, that's not true, , Mum, Dad and us 3 kids went to a campsite in Brittany in our Mini when I was 10.

I still harbour some of the value-judgements from that ethos, tbh. That it was irresponsible to 'waste' valuable weeks in school, that education should be valued, that you never missed a day of school unless you were too ill to stand up.

The argument that they are our children , we can do what we like, provokes a little voice in me saying 'yes, but as a society we have set up a free public education system which aims to educate children for their benefit, and for the benefit of us all'. Schools and teachers put in a lot of effort and personal time to make schools work well. OUr education system, for better for worse, is set up around a certain number of weeks tuition. It is not durprising to me that Hulababy says two weeks absence can cause a drop in grades - and in the primary schools round us the ones that do really well in SATS etc etc, and are the ones that are most difficult to get into, are the ones that are ferocious in not just agreeing 'you can have two weeks off', but stick to the spirit of the law, which implies that under extreme circumstances it might be allowed.

Hulababy · 10/06/2005 18:26

I am quite suprised at how other teacher feel this is diruptive. Honestly. Not just being a pain. At exam age yes, but at lower ages I really didn't find it that much of a problem at all, and it was never considered odd or in a negative way by other staff - that is at both schools I worked at (one very very good, one in special measures). And I did find that the kids usually did catch up if they were good kids; those that didn't catch up, I found, were the ones that were likely to be behind reagrdless anyway and didn;'t accept the help, etc offered.

As I say, just interested in other's experiences.

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:31

I remember doing this calculation last time. I have about 12 lessons to teach a child a module of science. If they miss 2 weeks they will miss 4 lessons of science. So the child will miss a thirst of a module. They do 12 modules in total for two GCSEs. Allong side missing my lessons, they will miss all the others, and I know that all departments have similar conrsraints on their time.

I originaly wrote, and I honestly feel that parents have the right to do what they want with their kids. But what they can't do is say that there is no educational impact of taking them out of school, that is just nonsense. You can argue that the child learns life skills etc while with the parent, and you'd be correct. But they don't get a GCSE in those. They do have an imact on the kids grades. If the parents are happy wwith that its not my problem.

Anbd you do get parents who take the kids out, even missing the actual exams

Hulababy · 10/06/2005 18:37

Oh at this level I do agree hmb, totally. GCSE coursework was my main bugbear, as ICT is 60% coursework all done at school.

And those missing exams -

Blu · 10/06/2005 18:37

LOL. On this thread people are complaining that the school wants to take children to the beach, and they shouldn't go because it isn't educational enough!

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:39

One of our ICT teacher has given up all of his break and lunch times and set up after school catch up sessions so that he could get the kids to finish the C/W. As you know no C/W=no C grade.

On parent can into school and yelled at him for 'hounding' her daughter about her missing work. Gratitude eh?

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:39

Blu , PMSL also I'd spotted that one!

bubblerock · 10/06/2005 18:47

I just checked Haven and their prices double as soon as the school holidays start - I think it's disgusting, they target families yet rip them off Most of their special offers are midweek during the School Term.

We wont charge extra for peak times as we figure we're offering the same service it's not like you're paying to get something extra!!

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 18:49

Its true of all of them!

We go camping now as i obviously can't take a holiday out of term time, it has cut the cost drastically

Willow2 · 10/06/2005 18:52

To add fuel to the fire - in my last "proper" job I was only allowed to take time off when the programme wasn't on air - which was a couple of weeks a year. It was always on air during the school holidays. Thank f I didn't have a child at that point. How would I have ever spent any "family time" with my child?

Also, the week before half term you could have gone to a 5 star hotel by the Red Sea for only £120 per person, half board - almost cheaper than staying at home. Couldn't get it for four times that price during half term. We're lucky, we can just about afford to go away out of school time, but I wouldn't slag off anyone who couldn't and decided to do otherwise.

bubblerock · 10/06/2005 18:53

I quite fancy camping

My DS keeps bringing sweets home from work experience students! - I don't mind though, save me feeding him

happymerryberries · 10/06/2005 19:00

Bubblerock , we are recent converts. It is fab and the kids love it.

wordsmith · 10/06/2005 19:15

I'm looking forward to camping, too. have only ever done it before as a girl guide and at rock festivals - all in the dim and distant past. Sure it will be fun with 2 under-fives!

Seriously, I think the for and against arguments about term time holidays really depend on what age your child is. I think if they're in Sats years or in secondary it's a completely different kettle of fish to little ones.