Yes/no poll on religion in state schools.

[seeker]

Do you think state schools should be secular, but with RE lessons giving information about all the main world religions as part of the curriculum?

[disengages from thread before head explodes]

DP, you absolutely have the right to express your opinions.

And other people have the right to disagree with them.

This has nothing to do with what party is in power - all support free speech.

What is the rational argument against homosexual couples raising children? If a single parent of either gender can raise a child (which they can) then how does having a pair detract?

Oh daft punk, don't be silly. Of course you have a problem with homosexuality - you've expressed it often enough!

And if it was never mentioned at home, and presumably not at school either, how on earth did you "make up your own mind?

And exactly what opinion do you want to express that you feel unable to under a Labour governement?!

And how on earth did we get from the place of religion in State schools to homosexual parenting?

labour have created the "power to the minority" world we now live in....i've lost count of the times i've been called a racist on here, just because i think we shouldn't allow anymore immigrants into this country....why is that being racist?...we haven't got enough jobs or money for them.

re; homosexuals and parenting....i can't imagin how the children must feel....i'd happily be brought up by a singe mother or father, but being brought up by homosexuals living together...i would die of embarrassment for one thing....

i'm sure they can make fantastic parents..but if you want to be a homosexual, you should forget about having children.

you don't have to be homosexual....no one forces you.

Dunno seeker. Personally I'm looking forward to the inevitable change in govt so that DP can at last express her opinions with no inhibitions.

Just found something in that CofE link (among all that disingenuous self-justification) which in fact supports the case for the choice of truly secular schools:

A 2008 showed that the majority of the population ? including those who do not see themselves as Christian ? agree that parents should be able to choose a state-run school for their child based on their own religious, moral or philosophical considerations.

The overwhelming majority who've polled here want, for a variety of religious, moral and philosophical reasons, to be able to choose a secular state school and we can't. Some of us don't even have a realistic choice of a non-faith state school.

Anyhow - having diverged this far from the point of the thread, are you going to do a final totting up?

Nope, can't stay disengaged.

I'd die of embarrassment if I had a parent as bigoted, narrow-minded and unable to concoct a simple logical argument as dp.

grimma...you may well laugh...but i've had posts deleted for saying i don't think homosexuals should adopt..

so there's you "freedom of speech" theory blown away..

er...what else have i been reported for

"life on benefits is crap...get used to it"

what the fucking hell was wrong with that?

I don't know the criteria MN applies to deleting posts but I'm sure its not related to which party is in office. I sincerely hope your posts are not deleted from this thread. They aren't being aimed at any individual (which might need moderation) and they are totally counterproductive to your argument!

I will - but I have rather lost the will to live!

The overwheming majority of posters on here would opt for secular schools if they were available. Not really sure what we now do with that information though.

"grimma...you may well laugh...but i've had posts deleted for saying i don't think homosexuals should adopt.."

I don't believe you. Prove it.

are you taking the piss..?

it's been deleted..how can i prove what i said...?

Well, seeker, I'm sure the British Humanist Association and the National Secular Society would be interested. I'm sure they have more sense than the Daily Mail how to treat the content of internet fora but maybe it would encourage one or t'other to organise a proper survey - the time may be ripe!

There is no way that a post just expressing the opinion that gay people should not be able to adopt would be deleted. A post expressing the same opinion in an offensive mannet would have been - but it would be the offensive manner rather than the opinion which caused the deletion.

Grimma - maybe I'll do a bit of collating and annotating!

Is there somewhere on this thread (I started looking but there were so many tangents!) where someone links to how practically the state schools could be made secular - i.e. would removing the involvement of church funding (is there a lot?) mean a hole in public finances (to go with all the others!).

I would love it if the state schooling system was entirely secular, but even giving people the choice would be great. But how practical is it?

AG;

two homosexual men bringing up a little girl..

list me the benefits for that child.

So Grimma, you believe in choice. But the OP was asking "Do you think state schools should be secular?", which I took to mean all state schools.

UnquietDad and Grimma, clearly you disagree with the information presented by the C of E, but thank you for taking the time to read it

I'm not sure how we've ended up talking about homosexuality on this thread. FWIW, many Christians have no problem with homosexuality, for example the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement.

Tinfoil,
I didn't say that quote from the CofE exactly represented my own views!

loving environment
caring parents
security and safety.

Much else will depend on the individuals.

In return, explain to me why a little girl living with two male parents is at a disadvantage to the little girl living with a single parent father. Without just saying that homosexuality is wrong.

two homosexual men bringing up a little girl..

list me the benefits for that child.

Two parents who are sufficently committed to parenthood that they have had to do a lot more than fuck to get a child?

DP, can you list me the disadvantages?

read this

this is what homosexuals "rights" have done.

one quote form the article

"for the sake of principle and certain political correctness we are losing some very good facilities"

dp

1. Having tow loving parents.

That should really be it.

But if you are going to push the issue, you could argue that such a girl would be safe from inappropriate sexual advances from her parents.

I remember my dad, as a doctor at a children's hospital, getting very irate about bigots complaining about "homosexuals being in close romximity to children" and pointing out that if one did want to assume the worst in people, that children were at far greater "risk" of inappropraite heterosexual advances than homosexual advances.

DP, homosexual rights dodn't close down that agency; Catholic bigotry did.

Dp - the article you link to does nothing to aupport your argument. It is nothing to do with whether homosexuals will make good parents or not - and more to do with the attitude of the catholic church.